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  1. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    25 Jan '16 21:04
    An 18 year old Arkansas teen was rejected by the Marines because of the tattoo shown in this article: http://deadstate.org/arkansas-teen-rejected-by-the-marine-corps-because-of-his-confederate-flag-tattoo/

    Right or wrong? Should the result be different if he had a Viet Cong flag? Or a Union Jack?
  2. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    26 Jan '16 01:54
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    An 18 year old Arkansas teen was rejected by the Marines because of the tattoo shown in this article: http://deadstate.org/arkansas-teen-rejected-by-the-marine-corps-because-of-his-confederate-flag-tattoo/

    Right or wrong? Should the result be different if he had a Viet Cong flag? Or a Union Jack?
    The Marines may have saved this young man's life. Enlisting in a very ethnically diverse Marine Corp. with a tattoo of that kind, could be hazardous to one's health.
  3. 26 Jan '16 02:41
    I wonder if they ever initiate conscription again if a person can be exempt by getting a tattoo like that?
  4. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    26 Jan '16 05:26
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    I wonder if they ever initiate conscription again if a person can be exempt by getting a tattoo like that?
    That was my first thought too.

    However, banning someone for any form of tattoo can't surely be right.
    That being said, I presume the IDF doesn't have many troops running around with swastikas tattooed on their arses.
  5. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    26 Jan '16 10:12
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    An 18 year old Arkansas teen was rejected by the Marines because of the tattoo shown in this article: http://deadstate.org/arkansas-teen-rejected-by-the-marine-corps-because-of-his-confederate-flag-tattoo/

    Right or wrong? Should the result be different if he had a Viet Cong flag? Or a Union Jack?
    I guess there is a minimum intelligence requirement.
  6. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    26 Jan '16 13:39 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    An 18 year old Arkansas teen was rejected by the Marines because of the tattoo shown in this article: http://deadstate.org/arkansas-teen-rejected-by-the-marine-corps-because-of-his-confederate-flag-tattoo/

    Right or wrong? Should the result be different if he had a Viet Cong flag? Or a Union Jack?
    There is no right to be in the marine corps. If the corps deems that it's in its best interest for purposes of discipline, morale or whatever, then, within reason, I'd say they should be able to make any decision they like on matters of admission. Is this a good decision? I have no idea. Is it within the corps' discretion? I think it is.
  7. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    26 Jan '16 13:39 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    I wonder if they ever initiate conscription again if a person can be exempt by getting a tattoo like that?
    Nobody gets conscripted into the Marine Corps.
  8. 26 Jan '16 14:38
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Right or wrong? Should the result be different if he had a Viet Cong flag? Or a Union Jack?
    The article clearly states the reason for the rejection:
    The body art policy for the Marine Corps forbids anything that is “sexist, racist, eccentric or offensive in nature.” Because it is a Confederate flag, this tattoo definitely qualifies.

    So the question would be: do americans generally find the Viet Cong flag or Union Jack “sexist, racist, eccentric or offensive in nature.”?

    And its not about what the boy thinks the tatoo stands for, its about what general opinion thinks.

    There are two possible concerns I see:
    * The fact that he may suffer consequences (as suggested by other posters).
    * The fact that he would represent the marines and if seen in public with a tatoo people may think that represents the views of the marines.
  9. 26 Jan '16 15:42
    Originally posted by sh76
    Nobody gets conscripted into the Marine Corps.
    That's true right now, but seems to me that there have been conscripts in the past.
  10. 26 Jan '16 15:47
    Originally posted by wolfgang59
    I guess there is a minimum intelligence requirement.
    If you read the accompanying link, the kid seems quite intelligent and well spoken. It seems that there are written tests for Marine recruits, as well as copious materials sold to assist prospects in the tests.

    The Corps is no longer recruiting brute dummies.
  11. 26 Jan '16 15:49
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    The article clearly states the reason for the rejection:
    The body art policy for the Marine Corps forbids anything that is “sexist, racist, eccentric or offensive in nature.” Because it is a Confederate flag, this tattoo definitely qualifies.

    So the question would be: do americans generally find the Viet Cong flag or Union Jack “sexist, r ...[text shortened]... es and if seen in public with a tatoo people may think that represents the views of the marines.
    Among young American males, I think the tat would be not highly controversial, especially among the elite youngster recruited by the Marines.
  12. 26 Jan '16 16:22
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    I wonder if they ever initiate conscription again if a person can be exempt by getting a tattoo like that?
    Before deserting from the army (there was still conscription at the time), my dad told one of his bunk-mates that he has seen enough of the army. The bunk-mate responded: "you're crazy!" "Well," my dad replied, "then I am on the right track."
  13. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    26 Jan '16 18:42
    Originally posted by sh76
    Nobody gets conscripted into the Marine Corps.
    They did during Vietnam.

    http://www.answers.com/Q/Did_the_marine_corps_draft_during_vietnam_war
  14. 26 Jan '16 18:46
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    They did during Vietnam.

    http://www.answers.com/Q/Did_the_marine_corps_draft_during_vietnam_war
    Thanks. I thought so, but lacked the incentive to search for proof.
  15. 26 Jan '16 19:02
    http://www.army.mil/article/146268/Revised_uniform_policy_changes_rules_for_tattoos__wear_of_combat_uniform/

    "...However, [US] Soldiers are still prohibited from having tattoos above the T-shirt neckline - meaning anywhere on the neck, face and head. Additionally, Soldiers are limited to no more than one "ring tattoo" on each hand, below the wrist line. What has not changed in the revised policy is the ban on extremist, indecent, sexist or racist tattoos.

    An Army G-1 spokesperson said the change to Army tattoo policy is not tied to what is or is not visible while wearing any particular Army uniform. Instead, the policy spells out locations on the body where tattoos are prohibited..."