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  1. 31 Jul '17 19:53 / 1 edit
    https://en.chessbase.com/post/help-nino-khurtsidze-overcome-her-fight-against-cancer

    "Help Nino Khurtsidze overcome cancer"

    "Top Georgian player Nino Khurtsidze is fighting cancer.
    She underwent surgery in Germany and now has to undergo five rounds
    of chemotherapy. The total cost is beyond what she can afford.
    Her friends have asked the chess community to support her efforts to
    overcome the situation and return to the chess board."

    "Nino Khurtsidze (born September 28th, 1975) is a Georgian chess player who
    holds the FIDE titles of International Master (IM) and Woman Grandmaster (WGM)."

    "Now Nino is suffering from a malignant tumour. She underwent surgery
    and is scheduled for chemotherapy in Germany. She has to endure five
    rounds of treatment, each costing €30,000 for a total of €150,000, and so
    her friends are reaching out to the chess community for help."

    (150,000 Euros is much less than what was raised for the late Charlie Gard's experimental treatment.)

    Anyone interested in contributing should use the link on the webpage.
    (This is not a commercial advertisement. I am not related to Nino Khurtsidze.)
  2. 31 Jul '17 21:50
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://en.chessbase.com/post/help-nino-khurtsidze-overcome-her-fight-against-cancer

    "Help Nino Khurtsidze overcome cancer"

    "Top Georgian player Nino Khurtsidze is fighting cancer.
    She underwent surgery in Germany and now has to undergo five rounds
    of chemotherapy. The total cost is beyond what she can afford.
    Her friends have asked the chess ...[text shortened]... on the webpage.
    (This is not a commercial advertisement. I am not related to Nino Khurtsidze.)
    Does the 'thumbs down' indicate that someone believes that Nino Khurtsidze's less deserving than,
    say, Charlie Gard, of financial support for her potentially life-saving medical treatment?
  3. 01 Aug '17 00:01
    Shouldn't all caring socialist Germany take care of her?
  4. 01 Aug '17 01:01
    Originally posted by @kquinn909
    Shouldn't all caring socialist Germany take care of her?
    Nino Khurtsidze's not a citizen or even a permanent resident of Germany.
    She presumably sought treatment in Germany because it's more advanced than in her native Georgia.
    Why should Germany be obligated to provide free health care to all foreigners?
  5. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    01 Aug '17 18:26 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Nino Khurtsidze's not a citizen or even a permanent resident of Germany.
    She presumably sought treatment in Germany because it's more advanced than in her native Georgia.
    Why should Germany be obligated to provide free health care to all foreigners?
    If healthcare is a human right, why should it be limited to German citizens?
  6. 01 Aug '17 18:28
    Originally posted by @sh76
    If healthcare is a human right, why should it be limited to German citizens?
    Because the socialists in Germany are racists.

    Duh!
  7. 01 Aug '17 20:56 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @sh76
    If healthcare is a human right, why should it be limited to German citizens?
    It's not - non-German permanent residents of Germany get the same health care Germans do.
  8. 01 Aug '17 21:51
    Originally posted by @whodey to Sh76
    Because the socialists in Germany are racists.

    Duh!
    The overwhelming majority of Germans today are much less racist than Whodey.
    Germany recently has shown much less racism and much more humanitarian concern
    than the USA (even before President Trump) in admitting refugees from Syria, Iraq, etc.
  9. 01 Aug '17 21:57
    Originally posted by @sh76
    If healthcare is a human right, why should it be limited to German citizens?
    Sh76 failed to comprehend that I wrote that Nino Khurtsidze's not a permanent resident of Germany.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Georgia_(country)

    I assume that Nino Khurtsidze has sought (expensive) medical treatment in Germany
    because it offers something more effective than what's available in Georgia.
  10. 01 Aug '17 22:20 / 1 edit
    Edgar Snow (1905-1972) was an American journalist who wrote _Red Star Over China_.
    In 1971, he was living with his second wife, Lois Wheeler, in Switzerland largely on
    account of hostility in the USA toward his supposed sympathies for Communism.
    Edgar Snow (not a Swiss citizen) was stricken with cancer, and, as a struggling writer,
    he found it hard to finance his continuing medical treatment in Switzerland.
    (Some naive Swiss suggested that he return to the health care system of the USA.)

    So Lois Wheeler Snow wrote many letters to any and all of his or her friends, appealing for aid.
    One letter was addressed to Zhou Enlai (whom he had first met during the Second World War).
    Edgar Snow had not been in touch with Zhou Enlai for years. As Premier of China, Zhou Enlai
    was a very busy man. Would Zhou Enlai even bother to read or to reply to this letter?

    Zhou Enlai did reply. He invited Edgar Snow to visit China for as long as he wished,
    where he would receive China's best medical treatment without charge. But Swiss doctors
    already had decided that Edgar Snow was too ill to travel. So Zhou Enlai sent a team
    of doctors and nurses from China to make a house call in Switzerland. The Chinese
    cancer specialists believed that Edgar Snow's condition was terminal. Some Chinese
    doctors and nurses remained to provide 24/7 hospice care for Edgar Snow until he died.

    In her book _A Death With Dignity: When the Chinese Came_, his widow, Lois Wheeler Snow
    expressed her deepest appreciation to Zhou Enlai and the Chinese doctors and nurses.
    She noted that Edgar Snow had received a much more compassionate response in
    appealing for help from a foreign government (China) than from his own (US) government.
  11. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    01 Aug '17 22:54
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    It's not - non-German permanent residents of Germany get the same health care Germans do.
    <sigh>

    Okay, KN.

    If healthcare is a human right, why should it be limited to German citizens or permanent residents?
  12. 02 Aug '17 01:16 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @sh76 to KazetNagorra
    <sigh>

    Okay, KN.

    If healthcare is a human right, why should it be limited to German citizens or permanent residents?
    I have not noticed any Americans here expressing any empathy for Nino Khurtsidze.
    This thread seems to be another outlet for popular American 'Euro-bashing'.

    Does Sh76 really expect Germany alone to pay for the health care of everyone else in the world?
    Would Sh76 at least volunteer that the USA should pay for the health care of every Jew in Israel? (sarcasm intended)
  13. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    02 Aug '17 02:30
    Originally posted by @sh76
    <sigh>

    Okay, KN.

    If healthcare is a human right, why should it be limited to German citizens or permanent residents?
    The flaw in their argument about healthcare being a right, don't expect a straight answer anytime soon.
  14. 02 Aug '17 07:56
    Originally posted by @sh76
    <sigh>

    Okay, KN.

    If healthcare is a human right, why should it be limited to German citizens or permanent residents?
    I think everyone should get adequate health care. Don't you?
  15. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    02 Aug '17 10:04
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    I think everyone should get adequate health care. Don't you?
    Do you think it is a right?