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  1. Standard membervivify
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    I'm asking you conservatives to have the balls to clearly state a simple yes or no: do you believe the man conservatives chose (by a landslide) to lead your party is racist? Yes or no?

    I'm asking conservatives to have the balls to answer directly and not hide behind insults, sarcasm, or any other diversionary tactic. Yes or no. Is Trump racist?
  2. Standard membervivify
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    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

    The Justice Department sued Trump's company ― twice ― for not renting to black people

    When Trump was serving as the president of his family’s real estate company, the Trump Management Corporation, in 1973, the Justice Department sued the company for alleged racial discrimination against black people looking to rent apartments in Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island.

    The lawsuit charged that the company quoted different rental terms and conditions to black rental candidates than it did with white candidates, and that the company lied to black applicants about apartments not being available.

    Without admitting wrongdoing, the Trump Management Corporation settled the original lawsuit two years later and promised not to discriminate against black people, Puerto Ricans or other minorities.

    Just three years after that, the Justice Department sued the Trump Management Corporation again for allegedly discriminating against black applicants by telling them apartments weren’t available.

    In fact, discrimination against black people has been a pattern in his career

    Workers at Trump’s casinos in Atlantic City, New Jersey, have accused him of racism over the years. The New Jersey Casino Control Commission fined the Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino $200,000 in 1992 because managers would remove African-American card dealers at the request of a certain big-spending gambler. A state appeals court upheld the fine.

    Trump disparaged his black casino employees as “lazy” in vividly bigoted terms, according to a 1991 book by John O’Donnell, a former president of Trump Plaza Hotel and Casino.

    “I think the guy is lazy,” Trump said of a black employee, according to O’Donnell. “And it’s probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It’s not anything they can control.”


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    24 Oct '17 23:041 edit
    Originally posted by @vivify
    I'm asking you conservatives to have the balls to clearly state a simple yes or no: do you believe the man conservatives chose (by a landslide) to lead your party is racist? Yes or no?

    I'm asking conservatives to have the balls to answer directly and not hide behind insults, sarcasm, or any other diversionary tactic. Yes or no. Is Trump racist?
    Do I hear any (racist) dog-whistling yet? (I am not a 'conservative' American.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog-whistle_politics

    "Dog-whistle politics is political messaging employing coded language that appears to
    mean one thing to the general population but has an additional, different or more specific
    resonance for a targeted subgroup. The phrase is often used as a pejorative because of
    the inherently deceptive nature of the practice and because the dog-whistle messages
    are frequently distasteful to the general populace. The analogy is to a dog whistle, whose
    high-frequency whistle is heard by dogs but inaudible to humans."
  4. Subscriberlemondrop
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    yes
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    25 Oct '17 09:42
    Originally posted by @vivify
    I'm asking you conservatives to have the balls to clearly state a simple yes or no: do you believe the man conservatives chose (by a landslide) to lead your party is racist? Yes or no?

    I'm asking conservatives to have the balls to answer directly and not hide behind insults, sarcasm, or any other diversionary tactic. Yes or no. Is Trump racist?
    no.

    that is absolutely the least of our worries.

    what matters now if he is mentally stable enough to be trusted to lead the greatest military power in the world. what matters now is how he can be controlled enough so he doesn't plunge the world into war or economic disaster. what matters now is that he doesn't know anything about any thing.

    did you know that whenever trump tweets, wall street wobbles? do you think blacks care that he is racist when he slashes medicare, industry regulations, welfare programs that keep children fed and with access to medical care?


    him being a racist or not is a distraction. that ship has sailed and americans clearly didn't give a fuk, just like they didn't give a fuk about him being a borderline rapist, sexist, xenophobe or homophobic.
    what matters now is how to contain him. point out, over and over, that he is incompetent. point out to your elected officials that if they don't contain him, you will vote against them in 2018. other than that, americans made their bed. time to have nightmares in it
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    25 Oct '17 10:042 edits
    Originally posted by @vivify
    I'm asking you conservatives to have the balls to clearly state a simple yes or no: do you believe the man conservatives chose (by a landslide) to lead your party is racist? Yes or no?

    I'm asking conservatives to have the balls to answer directly and not hide behind insults, sarcasm, or any other diversionary tactic. Yes or no. Is Trump racist?
    The left has convincingly shown us that Trump is a Hitler like Clansman, steeped in racial bigotry as he burns a cross a top of Trump tower every night.

    What I hated was on his reality shows, he insisted on having David Duke be on every show making racial slurs towards minorities and poking fun at them.

    Disgusting!

    From what I hear, Putin is in on the racial thingy. It's all coming together now.
  7. Standard membervivify
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    25 Oct '17 11:051 edit
    Originally posted by @zahlanzi
    no.

    that is absolutely the least of our worries.

    what matters now if he is mentally stable enough to be trusted to lead the greatest military power in the world. what matters now is how he can be controlled enough so he doesn't plunge the world into war or economic disaster. what matters now is that he doesn't know anything about any thing.

    did ...[text shortened]... e against them in 2018. other than that, americans made their bed. time to have nightmares in it
    So long as Republicans can't admit the flaws within their leaders and the racism within their own party, Trump will be elected again, and people like him who may be even worse will follow.

    You think someone like General John Kelly doesn't realize that Trump is an unhinged moron? Don't you think it's obvious on the faces of Trump's press secretaries that they know they're defending the indefensible?

    someone like Trump can only get elected when party members lie to themselves. Remember how many Republicans like Ted Cruz, Carson and Kellyane Conway all criticized him as being either a joke or a "circus", and otherwise unfit? They all reneged on their criticisms once it was clear that Trump could help their political careers and save get their party elected. They swallowed their pride and started lying to themselves.

    Republicans are still doing that now; nothing will change unless they stop lying to the public and themselves about the bigotry and corporate servitude inherent in their party. Most whites voted Republican; and if they keep lying to themselves, someone even worse than Trump will be elected. Someone who is also openly bigoted and war-mongering, except has intelligence to go with it. And that would be disastrous beyond what we can imagine.
  8. Standard membervivify
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    25 Oct '17 11:15
    Originally posted by @lemondrop
    yes
    Thank you.
  9. Standard membersh76
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    25 Oct '17 14:36
    Originally posted by @vivify
    I'm asking you conservatives to have the balls to clearly state a simple yes or no: do you believe the man conservatives chose (by a landslide) to lead your party is racist? Yes or no?

    I'm asking conservatives to have the balls to answer directly and not hide behind insults, sarcasm, or any other diversionary tactic. Yes or no. Is Trump racist?
    Yes.

    He's also not a conservative.
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    25 Oct '17 14:38
    Originally posted by @sh76
    Yes.

    He's also not a conservative.
    So what makes Trump a racist in your view?
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    25 Oct '17 14:40
    Originally posted by @whodey
    So what makes Trump a racist in your view?
    For one, they way he speaks about Mexican immigrants to the US makes it pretty clear that he has contempt for them as a group that is almost certainly at least partially attributable to their race.
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    25 Oct '17 14:42
    Originally posted by @whodey
    So what makes Trump a racist in your view?
    You're a conservative, whodey, right?

    Jeff Flake and Bob Corker. Now, they're conservatives.

    It's not too late, whodey. You can still come over to the light side. Start a conservative grass roots movement to impeach the incompetent narcissistic a-hole and get a real conservative in the WH. I'll join.
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    25 Oct '17 14:481 edit
    Originally posted by @sh76
    You're a conservative, whodey, right?

    Jeff Flake and Bob Corker. Now, they're conservatives.

    It's not too late, whodey. You can still come over to the light side. Start a conservative grass roots movement to impeach the incompetent narcissistic a-hole and get a real conservative in the WH. I'll join.
    What does this have to do with Trump being a racist?

    You say you think Trump was a racist, right?

    As for the rest, there are a lot of politicians that match that description as well. So what?
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    25 Oct '17 15:372 edits
    Originally posted by @sh76
    You're a conservative, whodey, right?

    Jeff Flake and Bob Corker. Now, they're conservatives.

    It's not too late, whodey. You can still come over to the light side. Start a conservative grass roots movement to impeach the incompetent narcissistic a-hole and get a real conservative in the WH. I'll join.
    As you well know, I was never a big fan of Trump. As I've said before, he is your cookie cutter New Yorker, arrogant and amoral and a sexual deviant. I won't even get into the whole "conservative" policies argument cuz he has not been President that long. I did start a thread about Trump increasing the deficit, something I'm opposed to, but hey, they all do. Find me someone who won't and I'll show you someone who will never get elected. It's not like I voted for him.

    What I do know is, Trump has done a better job so far than the last two presidents. No wars have been started, the economy is beginning to look better than it has in a long while, and at least we have someone in office that speaks their mind for a change instead of smiling into the camera and lying their arse off or being condescending to those who "cling to their guns and BIbles".

    Did I mention enjoying not being hunted down by the IRS who happen to be a conservative?
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    26 Oct '17 14:24
    Originally posted by @whodey
    As you well know, I was never a big fan of Trump. As I've said before, he is your cookie cutter New Yorker, arrogant and amoral and a sexual deviant. I won't even get into the whole "conservative" policies argument cuz he has not been President that long. I did start a thread about Trump increasing the deficit, something I'm opposed to, but hey, they all ...[text shortened]... es".

    Did I mention enjoying not being hunted down by the IRS who happen to be a conservative?
    He started no wars, but you don't follow what he has been saying about N Korea? Aircraft carrier groups doing military exercises almost next door to NK? That is more worrisome than racism. Racism involves the US and Mexico and blacks in the US. The war exercises inolves the whole planet.
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