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  1. 23 Sep '12 15:11
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/22/us-protests-egypt-idUSBRE88L0B220120922



    How can we deal with such people? Why would we want to deal with such people? Why? Why? Why?

    What a pathetic situation Obama and liberals have put us in. What a pathetic place political correctness leads us.
  2. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    23 Sep '12 15:21
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/22/us-protests-egypt-idUSBRE88L0B220120922



    How can we deal with such people? Why would we want to deal with such people? Why? Why? Why?

    What a pathetic situation Obama and liberals have put us in. What a pathetic place political correctness leads us.
    You don't make any sense; what exactly does "Obama and the liberals" have to do with an ultra-conservative Islamic party in Egypt?
  3. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    23 Sep '12 15:22 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/22/us-protests-egypt-idUSBRE88L0B220120922

    How can we deal with such people? Why would we want to deal with such people? Why? Why? Why?

    What a pathetic situation Obama and liberals have put us in. What a pathetic place political correctness leads us.
    "Egypt's president and other Muslim leaders should demand the U.N. criminalize contempt of religion after the release of an anti-Islamic film and cartoons which demonstrate growing racism, said the leader of the biggest ultra-orthodox Islamist party."

    You think the U.S. would ratify such a criminalization?

    Or you think the U.S. should not "deal with" people at the U.N. because they disagree with them?

    How is it you think the president of Egypt's speech at the U.N. is a "situation Obama and liberals have put [Americans] in"?
  4. 23 Sep '12 15:42
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/09/22/us-protests-egypt-idUSBRE88L0B220120922



    How can we deal with such people? Why would we want to deal with such people? Why? Why? Why?

    What a pathetic situation Obama and liberals have put us in. What a pathetic place political correctness leads us.
    How can we deal with such people?

    Through dialogue.

    Why would we want to deal with such people?

    Because they have some political influence.

    What a pathetic situation Obama and liberals have put us in. What a pathetic place political correctness leads us.

    This couldn't sequitur any less. Ultra-orthodox religious politicians in Egypt were inspired or supported by "Obama and liberals"? How so? And how does "political correctness" fit into this picture? If "Obama and liberals" would be bashing ultra-orthodox politicians in Egypt constantly, would this diminish their influence or power in Egypt? Isn't this just a matter of an Egyptian politician trying to score some cheap political points with conservative voters in Egypt by pushing for a UN measure that has zero chance of being pushed through in any case?
  5. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    23 Sep '12 15:59
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    [b]How can we deal with such people?

    Through dialogue.

    Why would we want to deal with such people?

    Because they have some political influence.

    What a pathetic situation Obama and liberals have put us in. What a pathetic place political correctness leads us.

    This couldn't sequitur any less. Ultra-orthodox religious pol ...[text shortened]... pt by pushing for a UN measure that has zero chance of being pushed through in any case?[/b]
    More likely it is calculated to put pressure on President Morsi to make some such futile proposal while at the UN this week.
  6. 23 Sep '12 16:24
    Originally posted by FMF
    [b]"Egypt's president and other Muslim leaders should demand the U.N. criminalize contempt of religion after the release of an anti-Islamic film and cartoons which demonstrate growing racism, said the leader of the biggest ultra-orthodox Islamist party."

    You think the U.S. would ratify such a criminalization?

    Or you think the U.S. should not "deal with ...[text shortened]... Egypt's speech at the U.N. is a "situation Obama and liberals have put [Americans] in"?[/b]
    "Or you think the U.S. should not "deal with" people at the U.N. because they disagree with them?"

    That might not be a bad idea. The League of Nations, Woodrow Wilson's dream, led directly to WWII, not an extended peace, and the UN has hardly kept the world peaceful.

    Why not get out? People who want to seriously negotiate with us can come to us to do so.
  7. 23 Sep '12 16:32
    Originally posted by normbenign
    The League of Nations, Woodrow Wilson's dream, led directly to WWII [...]
    Your view of history continues to amaze me.
  8. 23 Sep '12 18:09
    The problem here is political correctness. Any time you limit speech due to your belief that someone doesn't have the right to say something you limit freedom in the name of your beliefs. This guy is simply putting into practice political correctness.

    To tell you the truth, he has just as much a right to ask that people conform to his beliefs as liberals have for forcing people to conform to theirs.

    This just goes to point out the fundamental evil of political correctness and why it needs to be rejected and burned on the scrap heap of history.
  9. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    23 Sep '12 21:44
    Criminalizing disrespect is a violation of free speech. Islamists should not rely on national governments of free countries to force respect at the point of a gun on their own citizens.

    Earn respect if you want respect.
  10. 23 Sep '12 23:12
    Originally posted by normbenign to FMF
    "Or you think the U.S. should not "deal with" people at the U.N. because they disagree with them?"

    That might not be a bad idea. The League of Nations, Woodrow Wilson's dream, led directly to WWII, not an extended peace, and the UN has hardly kept the world peaceful.

    Why not get out? People who want to seriously negotiate with us can come to us to do so.
    The United States never joined the League of Nations, so the US government
    was hardly in a position to complain about what the League of Nations did.

    Israel has continued to disregard UN resolutions on Palestinian rights, and
    the United States has continued its lavish support of Israel. So one might
    well conclude that the US government believes the UN resolutions should
    be enforced only when it seems politically expedient for the United States.
  11. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    23 Sep '12 23:32
    Originally posted by Eladar
    The problem here is political correctness. Any time you limit speech due to your belief that someone doesn't have the right to say something you limit freedom in the name of your beliefs. This guy is simply putting into practice political correctness..
    It's the president of Egypt's "political correctness" but you reckon it's "a pathetic situation Obama and liberals have put us in"? How so?
  12. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    23 Sep '12 23:52 / 4 edits
    Originally posted by Eladar
    The problem here is political correctness. Any time you limit speech due to your belief that someone doesn't have the right to say something you limit freedom in the name of your beliefs. This guy is simply putting into practice political correctness.

    To tell you the truth, he has just as much a right to ask that people conform to his beliefs as liberal ...[text shortened]... political correctness and why it needs to be rejected and burned on the scrap heap of history.
    Let's see what is the problem with "political correctness." The civil rights movement in the US had a few problems it would have liked to correct, like lynching black people with impunity, systematically excluding black people from their voting rights, excluding black people from opportunities in education or in work, you know the sort of stuff. So blah blah liberals conceded some of these grievances without fundamentally altering the evident inequity of their position in American society and without preventing continued persistent oppression in matters such as imprisonment. You know what, things have gone mad and now you can even get a black president, albeit not one offering to shake the neo-liberal tree any more than a token minimum.

    Now you get these citizens putting out an honest, considered point of view about Islam via Utube because no self respecting media outlet would otherwise touch it and guess what, muslim people take this as a gross insult in the countries whose dictatorships have been supported and bankrolled by America for decades, whose economies have been scuppered since the Nineteenth Century by rapacious Western investors and bankers with the military support of their governments, people who have seen American military force applied illegally in their region, killing hundred of thousands of their people with a few hundred casualties on the American side, and who have the impression that America is an imperial power seeking to maintain their poverty and undermine their political aspirations while protecting a nuclear powered, racist, apartheid and still expanding Israeli state.

    Well they are just not reasonable, are they? They can't see the goodhearted motives behind those countless drone attacks across national borders and inflicting unavoidable civilian casualties out of sight of their mild mannered attackers. It's clear that political correctness has gone mad and we need fascism to put things right. Let's start by dealing with those uppity women wanting control over their own reproductive rights - that's political correctness / liberalism gone mad too. Then there's workers wanting rights - just where will it all end? We need more sweatshops like those successful asian ones all our major manufacturers make stuff in. They're all mad. Off with their heads.

    One interesting aside in the article is this
    Early in September, the Obama administration planned to go to Congress with a $1 billion debt relief plan to help Egypt stabilize its economy and grow its private sector.
    Yes here we go again - American support for a private sector that Americans can "do business with." The neo-liberal agenda prospers under adversity. Never miss a trick.
  13. 24 Sep '12 00:49
    Let's see what is the problem with "political correctness." The civil rights movement in the US had a few problems it would have liked to correct, like lynching black people with impunity, systematically excluding black people from their voting rights, excluding black people from opportunities in education or in work, you know the sort of stuff.

    So we need political correctness because racist white people used to hang black people.

    Nice.

    We need to misuse the government because a group of racist white people misused the government.

    Nice.

    I guess in your world two wrongs do make a right. Pathetic, but a very accurate description of the Civil Rights movment.
  14. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    24 Sep '12 01:23
    Originally posted by Eladar
    The problem here is political correctness. Any time you limit speech due to your belief that someone doesn't have the right to say something you limit freedom in the name of your beliefs. This guy is simply putting into practice political correctness.

    To tell you the truth, he has just as much a right to ask that people conform to his beliefs as liberal ...[text shortened]... political correctness and why it needs to be rejected and burned on the scrap heap of history.
    It;s amazing idiocy to equate hardline Islamic ideas with "political correctness".
  15. 24 Sep '12 03:48
    I've found that political correctness has become a fallback for conservatives for when they don't have an argument