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  1. 06 Apr '17 14:37 / 2 edits
    https://pjmedia.com/blog/the-new-pecking-order-muslims-over-gays/

    Last month, when Marine Le Pen refused to put on a headscarf for a meeting with Lebanon's “Grand Mufti,” a friend of mine, whom I'll call Dave, commended her for it on Facebook. Dave, as it happens, is a Manhattan liberal who voted for Hillary Clinton, despises Donald Trump, and thinks Le Pen is a fascist. But he's also a gay man who's very clear-eyed about the danger of Islam, especially to gay people, and who is angry at the left, both in the U.S. and Europe, for appeasing the Religion of Peace. And so he gave Le Pen a thumbs-up for her gutsy action.

    Since Dave's own friends list consists almost exclusively of other big-city liberal types, he was immediately savaged for his post on Le Pen. One of them wrote that just because Muslim women decide to cover their hair or body doesn't mean they're oppressed, and added that Le Pen, by refusing to wear a headscarf, wasn't standing up for women but simply “trying to spread hate” towards Islam. Another of Dave's friends agreed: Le Pen “didn't behave properly.” So did another: “This woman is not a feminist, she is a fa[s]cist.” Several more comments were along the same lines. Many of Dave's friends were livid at him for even daring to compliment Le Pen and criticize Islam.

    In response to his friends' complaints, Dave tried to play the gay-rights card, explaining to them that if they accepted the Muslim rule that women need to don a veil to meet a mufti or enter a mosque, they also had to accept the Muslim requirement that gay people – people such as himself – be stoned to death. Plainly, Dave expected that this argument would win the day with his oh-so-liberal, oh-so-gay-friendly friends. But it didn't. On the contrary, their responses made it clear that they'd fully accepted the current progressive pecking order among officially recognized oppressed groups: gays (especially affluent gay American males such as Dave) are at the bottom of the ladder; Muslims are at the very top. Which means that when gays criticize Islam, a decent progressive is supposed to scream “Islamophobe"; but when Muslims drop gays to their deaths off the roofs of buildings, one is expected to look away and change the topic.

    Of course, plenty of gays don't share Dave's critical attitude toward Islam. They've bought into the idea that they and Muslims are fellow members of the oppression brigade. Either they're unaware that sharia law prescribes execution for gays and that a large majority of Western Muslims are totally okay with that, or they've allowed themselves to be convinced that Muslims today don't care any more about Islamic law than most Christians or Jews do about Leviticus. Or, even more worrisome, they've worked out some Orwellian way of knowing the truth while at the same time not knowing it. So it is that we end up seeing grotesquely absurd pictures of gay people waving banners that decry Islamophobia or that declare gay solidarity with Palestine.
  2. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    06 Apr '17 14:47
    Wait wait wait.

    You have a friend?
  3. 06 Apr '17 15:00 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Wait wait wait.

    You have a friend?
    Heaven forbid!

    No silly it's just an article I read.

    Geesh.
  4. 06 Apr '17 15:03
    Is there something you'd like to discuss, or is this just another of your old and tired Muslim-bashing threads, whodey?
  5. 06 Apr '17 15:15 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Is there something you'd like to discuss, or is this just another of your old and tired Muslim-bashing threads, whodey?
    Islam now rules the DNC. They almost voted one to the top of the DNC.

    Gays have now been shuffled down to the bottom.

    It is no longer PC to criticize Muslims or their religion in any way, even if it is at the cost of offending or putting at risk gays.
  6. 06 Apr '17 15:45
    Originally posted by whodey
    Islam now rules the DNC. They almost voted one to the top of the DNC.

    Gays have now been shuffled down to the bottom.

    It is no longer PC to criticize Muslims or their religion in any way, even if it is at the cost of offending or putting at risk gays.
    Right. So your answers are "no" and "yes" respectively.
  7. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    06 Apr '17 15:48
    Originally posted by whodey
    Islam now rules the DNC. They almost voted one to the top of the DNC.

    Gays have now been shuffled down to the bottom.

    It is no longer PC to criticize Muslims or their religion in any way, even if it is at the cost of offending or putting at risk gays.
    I still don't understand why gays haven't abandoned the Dims party. Indeed they are confused or don't believe their destiny in the Muslim world.
  8. 06 Apr '17 15:58
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    I still don't understand why gays haven't abandoned the Dims party. Indeed they are confused or don't believe their destiny in the Muslim world.
    I do.

    The faithful are still ingesting the cool aid.
  9. Standard member vivify
    rain
    06 Apr '17 16:02 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    https://pjmedia.com/blog/the-new-pecking-order-muslims-over-gays/

    Last month, when Marine Le Pen refused to put on a headscarf for a meeting with Lebanon's “Grand Mufti,” a friend of mine, whom I'll call Dave, commended her for it on Facebook. Dave, as it happens, is a Manhattan liberal who voted for Hillary Clinton, despises Donald Trump, and thinks Le Pe ...[text shortened]... gay people waving banners that decry Islamophobia or that declare gay solidarity with Palestine.
    I don't discriminate against Christians either. I guess this means I have to stone some gays.
  10. 06 Apr '17 16:14
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    I still don't understand why gays haven't abandoned the Dims party. Indeed they are confused or don't believe their destiny in the Muslim world.
    Whatever reason could gays have to prefer a party platform that offers wishy-washy support for gay rights over a party that opposes them?
  11. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    06 Apr '17 16:19
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    I still don't understand why gays haven't abandoned the Dims party. Indeed they are confused or don't believe their destiny in the Muslim world.
    Yes gays are much better off supporting far right candidates because we all know how badly the alt right want to affirm the rights of the LGBT community.
  12. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    06 Apr '17 16:22
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Yes gays are much better off supporting far right candidates because we all know how badly the alt right want to affirm the rights of the LGBT community.
    As far as I've heard gay rights are some of the most important family values that the right side of American politics wants to affirm at every level in the body politic.
  13. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    06 Apr '17 16:30
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Yes gays are much better off supporting far right candidates because we all know how badly the alt right want to affirm the rights of the LGBT community.
    Yes, but as the OP says, they are at the bottom of the food chain in their party. At the top is a religion that wants to behead them. Duh... not too hard to figure out.
  14. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    06 Apr '17 16:35 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Yes, but as the OP says, they are at the bottom of the food chain in their party. At the top is a religion that wants to behead them. Duh... not too hard to figure out.
    It just goes to show you BOTH religions suck. Both religions are the scourge of humankind.
  15. 06 Apr '17 17:02
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    It just goes to show you BOTH religions suck. Both religions are the scourge of humankind.
    Gee I dunno the irreligious have been pretty scourgey too you know.