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  1. 21 Sep '13 21:44 / 1 edit
    21 September 2013--this story already has been widely reported.
    Al-Shabaab, an Islamist group in Somalia, has claimed responsibility for
    an attack at an upscale shopping mall (mostly serving affluent Kenyans
    and Western expats) in Nairobi, reportedly killing at least thirty people.
    Al-Shabaab claimed it was retaliation for Kenya's 2011 invasion of Somalia.
    Reportedly, the Al-Shabaab members (armed with AK-47s and grenades)
    spared the lives of people who convincingly said they were Muslims.
    (A non-Muslim with enough basic knowledge of Islam might have been
    able to pass as a Muslim and therefore survive.)

    Was there any correlation between guns and death in this case?
    Could this kind of incident take place if an Al-Qaeda ('sleeper' cell decided
    to seek 'martyrdom' by attacking a shopping mall in the United States?
  2. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    21 Sep '13 21:46
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Al-Shabaab, an Islamist group in Somalia, has claimed responsibility for
    an attack at an upscale shopping mall (mostly serving affluent Kenyans
    and Western expats) in Nairobi, reportedly killing at least thirty people.
    Al-Shabaab claimed it was retaliation for Kenya's 2011 invasion of Somalia.
    Reportedly, the Al-Shabaab members (armed with AK-47s and ...[text shortened]... eper' cell decided
    to seek 'martyrdom' by attacking a shopping mall in the United States?
    We have massacres all the time. This kind of thing could easily happen but most of us would shrug it off just like we shrug off all the other massacres that happen every year.
  3. 21 Sep '13 21:54
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    21 September 2013--this story already has been widely reported.
    Al-Shabaab, an Islamist group in Somalia, has claimed responsibility for
    an attack at an upscale shopping mall (mostly serving affluent Kenyans
    and Western expats) in Nairobi, reportedly killing at least thirty people.
    Al-Shabaab claimed it was retaliation for Kenya's 2011 invasion of Som ...[text shortened]... eper' cell decided
    to seek 'martyrdom' by attacking a shopping mall in the United States?
    When will Obama send in the troops?
  4. 21 Sep '13 21:55 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    We have massacres all the time. This kind of thing could easily happen but most of us would shrug it off just like we shrug off all the other massacres that happen every year.
    Now, now, President Obama is different. He really cares about innocent people suffering and he will bomb the hell out of them to prove it.
  5. 21 Sep '13 21:58
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    We have massacres all the time. This kind of thing could easily happen
    but most of us would shrug it off just like we shrug off all the other massacres that happen every year.
    But wouldn't many Americans be less inclined to shrug off a shopping mall
    massacre if it was committed by foreign 'Muslim terrorists' than if by, say,
    one or more white Christian American militiamen?
  6. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    21 Sep '13 22:33 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    But wouldn't many Americans be less inclined to shrug off a shopping mall
    massacre if it was committed by foreign 'Muslim terrorists' than if by, say,
    one or more white Christian American militiamen?
    They'd make a lot of noise about it for a while but shooting up a shopping mall isn't exactly 9/11.

    An Oregon shopping mall was shot up last year:

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/12/13/justice/oregon-mall-shooting/index.html
  7. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    22 Sep '13 17:48
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    We have massacres all the time. This kind of thing could easily happen but most of us would shrug it off just like we shrug off all the other massacres that happen every year.
    Thanks for putting it in perspective. Sobering.
  8. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    22 Sep '13 18:20 / 4 edits
    Sandy Hook. Boston Marathon. That Australian tourist. Sikh temple. It's headlines for a few weeks, then quietly forgotten. Then the next massacre happens, pattern repeats.

    If this sort of thing were to happen in the USA, though, it's unlikely this many people would get killed. American civilians are more proactive in self defense than most other populations.

    Our police are also very capable. And in the US these guys would probably not have grenades, and their AK47s would be illegal.
  9. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    22 Sep '13 18:41
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Sandy Hook. Boston Marathon. That Australian tourist. Sikh temple. It\'s headlines for a few weeks, then quietly forgotten. Then the next massacre happens, pattern repeats.

    If this sort of thing were to happen in the USA, though, it\'s unlikely this many people would get killed. American civilians are more proactive in self defense than most ot ...[text shortened]... e. And in the US these guys would probably not have grenades, and their AK47s would be illegal.
    I doubt the Shabaab are much better armed than the Mexican narco bandits. What's the correct name for them?
  10. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    22 Sep '13 18:47
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    I doubt the Shabaab are much better armed than the Mexican narco bandits. What's the correct name for them?
    Depends which narco bandits. Some invisible white Hispanics seem to control Mexico City's nighclub scene. Then there are the Knight Templars who are Catholic Marxists. There are Los Aztecas, who represent the indigenous Mexican "Indians", and sacrifice children to Santa Muerte. Los Zetas are Mexican Special Forces gone rogue, I think...the list goes on and on. Plenty of native Americans - as in, people born in the USA - are involved and utilize their US citizenship to escape Mexican police.
  11. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    22 Sep '13 18:59
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_Cartel
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_zetas
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinaloan_Cartel
    http://www.red-alerts.com/homeland-security/possible-human-sacrifice-by-narco-cultists-in-mexico/

    ......

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57599998/mass-kidnapping-beheadings-disturb-mexico-city/

    the massacre appears to have been orchestrated by a wealthy and powerful drug gang as revenge and a warning to a group of poorer interlopers trying to seize territory in some of the city's trendiest neighborhoods.

    The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to reveal details of the ongoing investigation.

    With some 100,000 police officers in the capital, Mexico's largest cartels have little public presence here. The retail drug business is booming, however, and local drug gangs collectively make $100-200 million a day selling marijuana, cocaine and hallucinogens, said Gomez, the former district-attorney's investigative chief.

    Investigators told the AP they believe dealers from the poor eastern neighborhood of Tepito have been trying to move in on the Union of Insurgentes, a gang that's named after the city's prosperous main north-south thoroughfare and controls sales in virtually all of the nightspots in the wealthiest parts of the city. The gang in control hires women as spies to flirt with potential rivals looking to sell drugs on their territory, and valets are used as lookouts, Gomez said. Corrupt police with annual salaries of less than $10,000 are paid to turn a blind eye.
  12. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    22 Sep '13 19:18
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Knights_Templar_Cartel
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_zetas
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinaloan_Cartel
    http://www.red-alerts.com/homeland-security/possible-human-sacrifice-by-narco-cultists-in-mexico/

    ......

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57599998/mass-kidnapping-beheadings-disturb-mexico-city/

    ...[text shortened]... . Corrupt police with annual salaries of less than $10,000 are paid to turn a blind eye.
    Sounds pretty insane. Who'd want to live? Then again: who'd want to live?
  13. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    22 Sep '13 19:37 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Sounds pretty insane. Who'd want to live? Then again: who'd want to live?
    Just make sure you're rich and Hispanic* and you live in the right places and don't go slumming with the Indians and you'll be ok.

    *That means White, brown half breeds don't count
  14. Standard member Bosse de Nage
    Zellulärer Automat
    22 Sep '13 19:49
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Just make sure you're rich and Hispanic* and you live in the right places and don't go slumming with the Indians and you'll be ok.

    *That means White, brown half breeds don't count
    Like most anywhere, then.
  15. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    22 Sep '13 19:52
    Originally posted by Bosse de Nage
    Like most anywhere, then.
    Just because we're civilized doesn't mean we're morally superior than the subject peoples. Just better organized and educated.