@divegeester saidBoth.
I’ve just read that Donald Trump has called for/announced that any illegal migrant who murders an American citizen should receive the death penalty.
Justifiable hardline or merely a last day campaign dog-whistle to his base?
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@divegeester saidAnyone who murders anybody should get the death sentence.
I’ve just read that Donald Trump has called for/announced that any illegal migrant who murders an American citizen should receive the death penalty.
Justifiable hardline or merely a last day campaign dog-whistle to his base?
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@Cliff-Mashburn saidThe bible says eye for eye, or some such. But so what what it says.
Anyone who murders anybody should get the death sentence.
If a person kills someone, tell us, everyone, why he should not be killed. It is actually common sense as I see it. Especially if my daughter was murdered. I just do not get the non-answers on this subject.
I asked one of us, if a guy has his wife and 4 kids in a remote lake house and murders them with a dull hatchet all night long, and throw-in that we have a video so that there is 'no question',,,,, Would he want the killer to be executed??
He said no. So, someone else weigh in on this one, while we wait a few days for Sonhouse to collect some of his thoughts about the election.
@Cliff-Mashburn saidWell, at least you're consistent. Does Trump support execution for all murderers, or is this another dodge, like abortion: 'pass it on to the states' ? His call for illegal migrants to be treated differently reeks of invidious discrimination.
Anyone who murders anybody should get the death sentence.
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@moonbus saidDidge? Did Moonbus dare say DODGE?!!?!?!?!?!?? Jesus.
Well, at least you're consistent. Does Trump support execution for all murderers, or is this another dodge, like abortion: 'pass it on to the states' ? His call for illegal migrants to be treated differently reeks of invidious discrimination.
Ask a simple question, would you want the hatchet murderer put to death, and he writes about Trump!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!? He writes not about the murderer, the execution of the murderer, but instead he writes about Trump.
I will make it easy for the Moonbus. I have it on good authority that Donald supports killing the murder. Or, I have it on good authority that he would not execute the murderer.
This is so easy , little feller. Pick either one. Donald does, or he does not.
So, that takes care of that. Now, Would you support executing the murderer?
You.
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@AverageJoe1 saidI would. But I wouldn’t want the government having that power. So, even though I wpuld want that murderer dead, the government cannot do that.
The bible says eye for eye, or some such. But so what what it says.
If a person kills someone, tell us, everyone, why he should not be killed. It is actually common sense as I see it. Especially if my daughter was murdered. I just do not get the non-answers on this subject.
I asked one of us, if a guy has his wife and 4 kids in a remote lake house and murders ...[text shortened]... this one, while we wait a few days for Sonhouse to collect some of his thoughts about the election.
And in reality there is never 100% proof.
However, this discussion isn’t actually about a death penalty. It’s about one set of punishment for citizens and a seperate set of punishment for immigrants.
What do you think about that?
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@AverageJoe1 saidNo play make homer go something, something.. Go crazy? Don't mind if I do....
The bible says eye for eye, or some such. But so what what it says.
If a person kills someone, tell us, everyone, why he should not be killed. It is actually common sense as I see it. Especially if my daughter was murdered. I just do not get the non-answers on this subject.
I asked one of us, if a guy has his wife and 4 kids in a remote lake house and murders ...[text shortened]... this one, while we wait a few days for Sonhouse to collect some of his thoughts about the election.
Simpsons classic.
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@shavixmir saidIf govt does not execute them, then who ? You get laborious, a ‘dodge’ tactic.
I would. But I wouldn’t want the government having that power. So, even though I wpuld want that murderer dead, the government cannot do that.
And in reality there is never 100% proof.
However, this discussion isn’t actually about a death penalty. It’s about one set of punishment for citizens and a seperate set of punishment for immigrants.
What do you think about that?
You 2ndpara is wrong. A citizen may commit a crime here. A person in Mexico breaks a law by coming here and then breaks other laws while here.
So at end of day, citizen is sentenced for his one crime, and illegal alien is sentenced for crossing the border, and for other crimes.
How is does each lawbreaker have sentencing/punishment different from each other?l You won’t answer.
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@AverageJoe1 saidFor murder, the strongest reason is simply that he might not have done it.
If a person kills someone, tell us, everyone, why he should not be killed.
Better is life in prison without contact with the outside world or with any printed/video material after the date of the murder. The perp is 'dead' to the world - no one ever hears from them, and they never hear anything 'new.'
Just.like.their.victim. Except... reversible if he is later found innocent.
And that goes for an American citizen killing an asylum seeker, too. Murder is murder.
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@spruce112358 saidI don’t understand the morality of the position you are taking here; if there is a chance that the perp may not have done it then surely the type of prison experience you are suggesting here is tantamount to torturing someone who is being kept alive because they might be innocent. Doesn’t seem coherent to me.
For murder, the strongest reason is simply that he might not have done it.
Better is life in prison without contact with the outside world or with any printed/video material after the date of the murder. The perp is 'dead' to the world - no one ever hears from them, and they never hear anything 'new.'
Just.like.their.victim. Except... reversible if he is later foun ...[text shortened]... innocent.
And that goes for an American citizen killing an asylum seeker, too. Murder is murder.
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@AverageJoe1 saidThat’s a ridiculously stupid question.
If govt does not execute them, then who ? You get laborious, a ‘dodge’ tactic.
You 2ndpara is wrong. A citizen may commit a crime here. A person in Mexico breaks a law by coming here and then breaks other laws while here.
So at end of day, citizen is sentenced for his one crime, and illegal alien is sentenced for crossing the border, and for other crimes.
How is does each lawbreaker have sentencing/punishment different from each other?l You won’t answer.
Nobody executes them. They go to prison.
@divegeester saidMedieval hermits and anchorites chose that life, to live in contemplation.
I don’t understand the morality of the position you are taking here; if there is a chance that the perp may not have done it then surely the type of prison experience you are suggesting here is tantamount to torturing someone who is being kept alive because they might be innocent. Doesn’t seem coherent to me.
I'm talking about justice. If you take away someone's life, why should you go on talking to your family and loved ones? Why should you hear 'the news' as the world continues on? Your victim cannot.
So, you suffer the same fate as your victim. It's fair.
EDIT: There is always a chance "they didn't do it." We cannot ever get away from that or drive it to zero. But the error of the state killing an innocent is rightly horrifying. Moral creatures would never allow that possibility, so we take that of the table.
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@spruce112358 saidYou must be a liberal voter. Only a liberal would think like this.
Medieval hermits and anchorites chose that life, to live in contemplation.
I'm talking about justice. If you take away someone's life, why should you go on talking to your family and loved ones? Why should you hear 'the news' as the world continues on? Your victim cannot.
So, you suffer the same fate as your victim. It's fair.
EDIT: There is always a chance "the ...[text shortened]... ightly horrifying. Moral creatures would never allow that possibility, so we take that of the table.
Death penalty - 😱😱😱😱
Mental torture for rest of life - ✅
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