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  1. 29 May '11 06:58
    Do you consider yourself a liberal, conservative, moderate, or something else? What do these words mean to you? Do you see any virtue in the opposition philosophy? If you are conservative on some issues and liberal on others, is there an overall structure to your political philosophy? Libertarian? Christian socialist? Technocratic?
  2. Standard member wittywonka
    Chocolate Expert
    29 May '11 07:20
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Do you consider yourself a liberal, conservative, moderate, or something else? What do these words mean to you? Do you see any virtue in the opposition philosophy? If you are conservative on some issues and liberal on others, is there an overall structure to your political philosophy? Libertarian? Christian socialist? Technocratic?
    Since it's 2:00 a.m. local time, I'm not going to reply to my full ability, but your post did remind me of a video I'd seen recently, that might help discussion get moving.

    On the "Definition" of "Liberal"

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVdz985HTJk
  3. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    29 May '11 07:44
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Do you consider yourself a liberal, conservative, moderate, or something else? What do these words mean to you? Do you see any virtue in the opposition philosophy? If you are conservative on some issues and liberal on others, is there an overall structure to your political philosophy? Libertarian? Christian socialist? Technocratic?Debvout
    Devout Libertarian i.e. I believe strongly that you are the owner of your own life, as such that makes me very unpopular arond here.

    Liberal - Slight tendencies towards freedom on drugs, gay marriage, abortion but iron grip on the economy, philosophy of envy.

    Conservative - Don't even want to talk about abortion, but were once in some distant past supposedly a little more free thinking on things economic.

    The two sides creep enexorably closer to each other and overlap into one giant nanny state, drunk on what flows out of the mint.
  4. 29 May '11 08:54
    People like a sense of belonging to a group. That's where these labels come in. Most people don't want to worry about complex issues like foreign policy, civil rights or the economy. These people self-identify as "liberal", "libertarian" or "conservative".
  5. Standard member DrKF
    incipit parodia
    29 May '11 08:59
    To an enormous extent, it depends which side of the Atlantic one lives.
  6. 29 May '11 09:05
    I'm a bleeding heart tree hugging hippy Liberal.
  7. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    29 May '11 12:55
    Ultra left wing bleeding heart liberal whose every waking thought is animated by a visceral hatred of the Republican Party.
  8. 29 May '11 12:58
    Conservative, n: A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal who wishes to replace them with others.

    - Ambrose Bierce
  9. 29 May '11 13:00
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Ultra left wing bleeding heart liberal whose every waking thought is animated by a visceral hatred of the Republican Party.
    Just had to one-up me.
  10. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    29 May '11 13:41
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    Just had to one-up me.
    It's my birthday today. I'm allowed.
  11. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    29 May '11 13:50 / 2 edits
    Socially, I'm a small "L" liberal because fundamentally, I don't give a damn what other people do as long as they're not hurting other people.

    Many large "L" Liberals, at least in the US, don't give a damn about what other people do unless they're doing something politically incorrect or religiously motivated or for reasons that are impure by "Liberal" standards, in which case they want those people harassed, regulated and punished. so, I'm certainly not one of those.

    Economically, I'm a free market capitalist who nonetheless understands the need for some regulation and that the free market is not capable of correcting all of its own problem. I also believe in personal responsibility and despise the nanny state, while understanding that human decency demands that we provide some level of safety net for the truly needy. Fundamentally, I also believe that whoever can do a task most efficiently and in the manner that's in the best interest of everyone should be takes with doing so. Most of the time that's the free market. However, in some cases, that is the government.

    BTW, happy birthday, rwingett! I'm planning on getting you a Kindle version copy of The Fountainhead.
  12. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    29 May '11 14:15
    Conservative = bastard.
    As for liberals: they are people who think that everyone, even conservatives, have a right to live.
  13. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    29 May '11 14:22
    Originally posted by sh76
    Socially, I'm a small "L" liberal because fundamentally, I don't give a damn what other people do as long as they're not hurting other people.

    Many large "L" Liberals, at least in the US, don't give a damn about what other people do unless they're doing something politically incorrect or religiously motivated or for reasons that are impure by "Liberal ...[text shortened]... rwingett! I'm planning on getting you a Kindle version copy of The Fountainhead.
    I'm a neo-luddite. I don't do kindle.

    Half the work of any technological society is convincing you that you need the technologies it comes up with.
  14. 29 May '11 14:36 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Liberal - Slight tendencies towards freedom on drugs, gay marriage, abortion but iron grip on the economy, philosophy of envy.
    The traditional usage of the word liberal ironically means the opposite of authoritarianism. The only issues they seem "liberal" on is abortion and gay marriage. However, give a "conseravite" Mormon in Utah the right to marry all his wives and watch all hell break loose on the left.

    As for abortion, the question is, are the unborn "human"? If the answer is "yes", everyone and his brother would have to agree that it is immoral. So the issue is one of science and from my vantage point common sense.

    As for the "liberals" out there, have you come up with any new regluation/taxation/subsidy for us today? You have to admit, we are all a bunch of irresponsible, stupid, greedy bastards so by all means don't delay!! We need your guidance to do, "the right thing".
  15. 29 May '11 14:41
    Originally posted by sh76
    [b]Socially, I'm a small "L" liberal because fundamentally, I don't give a damn what other people do as long as they're not hurting other people.
    But who would disagree with this statement? The reason people lean toward a fascist mentality is when we begin to define what activity is "hurting" other people. Is using a 100 watt incandescent light bulb "hurting" other people? Is me not recycling every item of trash in my house "hurting" other people? Is driving an SUV hurting other people? Is not buying health insurace "hurting" other people etc? The liberal would probably say yes to all these things.