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  1. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    A right-wing demonstration organised by the criminal
    Tommy Robinson threatens journalists with violence.

    Do you think Trump's behaviour emboldens people like this?

    Mr Yaxley-Lennon said the aim of the protest was to make a
    stand "against the corrupt media" and called for the BBC
    licence fee to scrapped.

    UKIP leader Gerard Batten told demonstrators that
    Mr Yaxley-Lennon "speaks up for things that are right,
    he tells the truth and he can mobilise lots of people
    like you, and that's what they fear".

    A rally organiser also took to the stage and told
    demonstrators: "Don't touch the photographers or any
    of the media companies. Let them be. Just for today."


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-47335414
  2. SubscriberWajoma
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    @wolfgang59 said
    A right-wing demonstration organised by the criminal
    Tommy Robinson threatens journalists with violence.

    Do you think Trump's behaviour emboldens people like this?

    Mr Yaxley-Lennon said the aim of the protest was to make a
    stand "against the corrupt media" and called for the BBC
    licence fee to scrapped.

    UKIP leader Gerard Batten told demonstrators that
    M ...[text shortened]... es. Let them be. Just for today."[/b]


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-manchester-47335414
    I don't see the BBC license as being necessarily a 'right wing' issue.

    Most sane people see the need for the church and state to be as separate as the media and the state.

    Here's a hard truth for you wolfgang: All media is biased (oh the guidelines, the guidelines, bollocks to the guidelines, that's all they are) and all reporters are biased. They choose what they report and they choose how it is reported.

    1. There should be a separation of the media and the state.
    2. All media is biased.
    3. Private media institutions should not be forced to fund their competitors. All should stand on their own two feet.
    4. Despite the guidelines it is to be expected that the BBC will not report an attack on their funding in an unbiased way. If there are to be any guidelines they should be barred from reporting on such events.

    And there's a great example right in the short hit piece you linked to:

    For whatever reasons Stephen has adopted the name 'Tommy Robinson' the BBC should respect that, any number of personalities have changed their names and I have not seen the BBC steadfastly refuse to address them by their chosen name, yet in the relatively short article they refer to Tommy no less than 8 times by his Yaxley-Lennon name.

    I could be wrong, maybe you can find articles of similar length where they refer to, say, Tom Cruise as Mr Cruise Mapother IV 8 times or Whoopi Goldberg as Ms Caryn Elaine Johnson 8 times. But it's plain that they suck up to Hollywood celebrities but have a clear bias against someone calling them on their integrity. I'd like to see them address transgender folk by their birth names 8 times in the space of a short piece. Bias much?

    Media should be able to report in such a biased manner (just don't pretend that they're following guidelines) but the whole funding by the force of the state is at the root of this issue, and rightly so.
  3. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    @wajoma said
    I don't see the BBC license as being necessarily a 'right wing' issue.
    Neither do I and that is not what this post is about.

    It's about journalism being threatened by a mob.

    I'm asking is Trump enabling this internationally?
    Or is it just the times we live in?
    Or is it
  4. SubscriberWajoma
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    @wolfgang59 said
    Neither do I and that is not what this post is about.

    It's about journalism being threatened by a mob.

    I'm asking is Trump enabling this internationally?
    Or is it just the times we live in?
    Or is it
    In case you don't know, when protests like this occur the organisers want the press to be there, that's why they have them, they send out press releases prior to the event inviting the press.

    It's a sign of the times there are snow flakes trying to turn this into something it's not. Threat of violence? Pfftt. Harden up.

    And no, your trump-aphobic paranoia has nothing to do with this.
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    @wolfgang59 said
    Neither do I and that is not what this post is about.

    It's about journalism being threatened by a mob.

    I'm asking is Trump enabling this internationally?
    Or is it just the times we live in?
    Or is it
    I'm asking is Trump enabling this internationally?
    In my opinion, oh yeah. Just look at how much all of this BS has grown since Trump; all around the world. All you have to do is connect the dots; and Trump usually ends up being one of the starting dots or advancing dots.
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    @kingdavid403 said
    I'm asking is Trump enabling this internationally?
    In my opinion, oh yeah. Just look at how much all of this BS has grown since Trump; all around the world. All you have to do is connect the dots; and Trump usually ends up being one of the starting dots or advancing dots.
    I think you may be accrediting too much to Trump’s influence.
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    @divegeester said
    I think you may be accrediting too much to Trump’s influence.
    Maybe; however, he is enabling them and others in the world as Wolfgang59 asked; is he not? I sure know he does it here in the USA.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/us/coast-guard-christopher-hasson-terrorist-attack.html
  8. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    @wajoma said
    In case you don't know, when protests like this occur the organisers want the press to be there, that's why they have them, they send out press releases prior to the event inviting the press.
    Thanks for that.
    Not sure of relevance.
    But thanks.
  9. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    @wajoma said
    Threat of violence? Pfftt. Harden up.
    "Don't touch the photographers or any of the media companies. Let them be. Just for today."

    That's OK?
  10. SubscriberWajoma
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    @wolfgang59 said
    Thanks for that.
    Not sure of relevance.
    But thanks.
    They want the press there.

    They don't want to chase them away with 'threats'. There was no credible threat made. When you realise that the trump-aphobia aspect collapses.

    Two birds with one stone.
  11. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    @wajoma said
    And no, your trump-aphobic paranoia
    Trumpaphobic (neologism) or preferably Trump-phobic.

    But not trump-aphobic.

    Keep learning.
    😉
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    @kingdavid403 said
    Maybe; however, he is enabling them and others in the world as Wolfgang59 asked; is he not? I sure know he does it here in the USA.
    https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/21/us/coast-guard-christopher-hasson-terrorist-attack.html
    Yes he is having a massive negative impact on press relations in the country where he is Presiding but I don’t think as much elsewhere. I don’t think the stuff in the OP is anything to do with Trump, it’s just extremist right-wing gits being themselves.
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    @divegeester said
    Yes he is having a massive negative impact on press relations in the country where he is Presiding but I don’t think as much elsewhere. I don’t think the stuff in the OP is anything to do with Trump, it’s just extremist right-wing gits being themselves.
    How were they being 'extremist right-wing'?

    Can you define some examples especially from the protest in the OP

    Edit: About the only extreme views on display were the left-wig counter protest saying they were extremist right-wing, nazis and the like, as you also do so here.
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    @divegeester said
    Yes he is having a massive negative impact on press relations in the country where he is Presiding but I don’t think as much elsewhere. I don’t think the stuff in the OP is anything to do with Trump, it’s just extremist right-wing gits being themselves.
    I disagree. Look at the current president of the Philippines; he has his army just walking around murdering any suspected drug addicts or drug dealers on the spot and Trump has said he supports him and wished that they did the same things here. There are other dictator country's doing same types of things also and he has backed them.
    As far as the right-wing nut jobs here; four + years ago this hardly happened here any longer. Now, they have come out of the closet and it's almost an every day occurrence; and, these white supremacists are marching and causing crap and murdering almost daily all over our nation. Etc etc.
    Now, Trump is best friends with Putin and Kim Jong un and has ruined our relationships with ALL our true allies, even Canada and Mexico. He's a worthless to God and America idiot and I really hope something happens to him soon or our country of freedom is gone; except for the wealthy oligarchs. He wants America to be just the same as Russia is run today with him at the lead; as Putin is over Russia.
  15. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    @wajoma said
    They want the press there.

    They don't want to chase them away with 'threats'. There was no credible threat made. When you realise that the trump-aphobia aspect collapses.

    Two birds with one stone.
    I've only just realised that the story has flown over your head.

    Of course the protesters were not threatening the journalists covering
    their demonstration. The threat was against the BBC journalists! (and
    in general any bad press against them.)
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