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  1. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    30 Dec '17 12:09 / 3 edits
    It looked pretty grim for the Democrats a year ago, the working class white man, once the backbone of the Democratic party, largely abandoned them in favor of the GOP. It's understandable in some ways, in their headlong pursuit of the minority and female vote, the working class white man was made to feel left out of the Democratic family. Like a ocean liner at sea, the course is slowly changing, and many of those same people are drifting back to the left wing, as they find out (the hard way) this New York billionaire can't do very much about their blue collar jobs, and all those rosey numbers coming from wall street isn't helping them much at all, so relax Democrats, the angry white man may not be coming back to you in huge numbers, but you'll get more than enough of them back to make the next 2 elections good one's for the left wing.
  2. 30 Dec '17 12:16
    Originally posted by @mchill
    It looked pretty grim for the Democrats a year ago, the working class white man, once the backbone of the Democratic party, largely abandoned them in favor of the GOP. It's understandable in some ways, in their headlong pursuit of the minority and female vote, the working class white man was made to feel left out of the Democratic family. Like a ocean liner ...[text shortened]... 'll get more than enough of them back to make the next 2 elections good one's for the left wing.
    LMFAO
  3. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    30 Dec '17 12:25
    Originally posted by @mchill
    It looked pretty grim for the Democrats a year ago, the working class white man, once the backbone of the Democratic party, largely abandoned them in favor of the GOP. It's understandable in some ways, in their headlong pursuit of the minority and female vote, the working class white man was made to feel left out of the Democratic family. Like a ocean liner ...[text shortened]... 'll get more than enough of them back to make the next 2 elections good one's for the left wing.
    There is no "left wing" in American politics. The Democrats barely count as a centrist party, while the Republicans are a mere step or two away from being an outright fascist party.
  4. 30 Dec '17 13:01 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @mchill
    It looked pretty grim for the Democrats a year ago, the working class white man, once the backbone of the Democratic party, largely abandoned them in favor of the GOP. It's understandable in some ways, in their headlong pursuit of the minority and female vote, the working class white man was made to feel left out of the Democratic family. Like a ocean liner ...[text shortened]... get more than enough of them back to make the next 2 elections good one's for the left wing.
    You mistake the Dims wanting to stick up for minorities.

    No, what they have done is look at the demographics and realize that whitey will soon be outnumbered by brownie and/or darkie, so it is high time to abandon whitey

    In fact, you are doing the same thing here with your post. You are dividing and conquering, much like whitey was favored when they first reached the shore of America. They not only had the numbers to dominate, they also had the military might, so it was high time to abandon brownie and darkie.

    Political power is all about picking the winning side and exploiting the losing side.
  5. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    30 Dec '17 13:21
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    LMFAO
    Yup. Those last 3 elections in Virginia, New Jersey, and Alabama were pretty funny alright!
  6. 30 Dec '17 14:21 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Yup. Those last 3 elections in Virginia, New Jersey, and Alabama were pretty funny alright!
    Alabama was given to the Democrats by the establishment Republicans.

    There are actually three major parties in the US

    Democrats who are all establishment

    Republican establishment

    Republican nationalists
  7. 30 Dec '17 15:49
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Alabama was given to the Democrats by the establishment Republicans.

    There are actually three major parties in the US

    Democrats who are all establishment

    Republican establishment

    Republican nationalists
    You still don't get it, do you?

    All USA politicians are establishment. All. By design. Republicans even more than Democrats, by the very nature of the party. But even Democrats. Even Ralph Nader, who has consistently been the only pseudo-succesful candidate to have the guts to tell the Great American Uneducated things they do not want to hear but badly need to, is establisment. Trump? Rand Paul? Perot? Good grief. Personal millionaires, businessmen with buddies all over the commercial "upper" class. There's nobody quite as deeply established as a Right-wing "rogue" candidate from the world of business.

    Besides, it's inherent in the system. Yours is a commercial political world, and set up to be so from the start. It's nepotism and plutocracy made official, freemasonry with the show of the ballot box. It's all about personal acquaintances and pulled strings, and since the advent of television personal fame.
    To be a politician in the USA and not fail even before the ballot, you have to be establishment. You have to have a war coffer of millions of dollars and a media presence every single day. And that's never going to change until you get rid of this cult of Strong Personality, and that's never going to happen until you get rid of the two-party-forming district voting system and adopt real democracy in the form of proportional representation. And that'll never happen, because you, like your Limey ex-lords and masters, are slaves to the baronage.

    Therefore, all USA politicians except the utter failures are and will remain, by design and inevitably, establishment.
  8. 30 Dec '17 16:16
    Originally posted by @shallow-blue
    You still don't get it, do you?

    All USA politicians are establishment. All. By design. Republicans even more than Democrats, by the very nature of the party. But even Democrats. Even Ralph Nader, who has consistently been the only pseudo-succesful candidate to have the guts to tell the Great American Uneducated things they do not want to hear ...[text shortened]... iticians except the utter failures are and will remain, by design and inevitably, establishment.
    Roy Moore was not establishment.
  9. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    30 Dec '17 17:47 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Alabama was given to the Democrats by the establishment Republicans.

    There are actually three major parties in the US

    Democrats who are all establishment

    Republican establishment

    Republican nationalists
    Nice job of labeling, but I very much doubt a win would be "given" to a Democrat by any kind of Republican in a red state like Georgia.
  10. 30 Dec '17 17:56 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Nice job of labeling, but I very much doubt a win would be "given" to a Democrat by any kind of Republican in a red state like Georgia.
    Really? The establishment Senator from Alabama told people not to vote for Moore.

    The Senator didn't vote for Moore.
  11. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    30 Dec '17 20:20
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Really? The establishment Senator from Alabama told people not to vote for Moore.

    The Senator didn't vote for Moore.
    91% of Alabama Republicans still voted for Moore and Republicans were 43% of the electorate (about the same as 2012). https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2017/politics/alabama-exit-polls/?utm_term=.5b9b67744d58
  12. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    30 Dec '17 20:31 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @mchill
    It looked pretty grim for the Democrats a year ago, the working class white man, once the backbone of the Democratic party, largely abandoned them in favor of the GOP. It's understandable in some ways, in their headlong pursuit of the minority and female vote, the working class white man was made to feel left out of the Democratic family. Like a ocean liner ...[text shortened]... get more than enough of them back to make the next 2 elections good one's for the left wing.
    Exit polling really doesn't support that thesis; the Democratic wins are fueled far more by increased turnout and support percentages by the young, African Americans and suburban voters than by any increase from "working class whites". 79% of white, non-college graduate, men voted for Roy Moore for example.
  13. 30 Dec '17 21:38
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Roy Moore was not establishment.
    A Chief Justice of the court of his state? Twice!? Officially nominated by his party to replace Jeff Sessions? Went to West Point, no less! So up-to-his-neck in the establishment that even with his history of sexual misconduct - only the criminal part has not been proven, the morally distasteful part is well admitted except by co-Birthers and teabaggers - extremism, racism, free speech denial (otherwise such a hang-up of you libertarians - oh, except when it's used against you, of course!) and downright treasonous adherence to Josif Vissarionovich Putin; even with all that against him, the Republican establishment counted him so much one of their own that they couldn't bear to drop him.

    If Roy Moore was not establishment, Dubya was a downright anti-Republican rebel.
  14. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    30 Dec '17 21:50 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Exit polling really doesn't support that thesis; the Democratic wins are fueled far more by increased turnout and support percentages by the young, African Americans and suburban voters than by any increase from "working class whites". 79% of white, non-college graduate, men voted for Roy Moore for example.
    Now maybe, but I think you'll find exit polls in 2020 will be somewhat different.
  15. 30 Dec '17 21:57
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Exit polling really doesn't support that thesis; the Democratic wins are fueled far more by increased turnout and support percentages by the young, African Americans and suburban voters than by any increase from "working class whites". 79% of white, non-college graduate, men voted for Roy Moore for example.
    52 percent of Alabama identifies as Republican and 35 percent Democrat.

    If people vote along party lines Republicans win every time.