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  1. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    14 Nov '16 04:45
    I know these are not happy times for the left wing, but tucked inside the clouds of gloom that was the election of 2016, are some very nice silver (maybe golden) linings: 1. You get rid of the Clinton's! These folks are old, politically damaged, and are not doing their party any good. You now have time to look for younger, more inspiring candidates with far less baggage. 2. The GOP now has to produce! With Trump coming into power, and the GOP controlling Congress, Conservatives won't be able to blame the Democrats for their lack of progress, any flutter in the economy, or stumbles on foreign policy will fall squarely on the GOP. 3. Time to rebuild your base: Just as the GOP needs to reach out to minorities, Democrats need to begin reaching out to all those white former Democrats (Yes Duchess...even the lowly and despised white man) who felt abandoned by the Democrats in their headlong pursuit to attract minorities. 4. Time to reach out to millennials: This group is a growing force in America, and if the Democrats can attract more of them into their voter base, the rewards at election time will be handsome. Time to get to work Democrats, your future can be a bright one if you use this time wisely.
  2. Standard member vivify
    rain
    14 Nov '16 05:07 / 3 edits
    I think you believe Dems are upset at losing an election, which is wrong.

    Dems are upset at someone running the country who openly promotes torture, killing families of suspected terrorists, prejudice against a religion, racism like calling Mexican immigrants rapists, sexual assault, refused to denounce support from the KKK, is egotistical enough to "assure" everyone he doesn't have a small penis during a presidential debate, illegally used migrant workers to pay them almost nothing, created a fraudulent business to con people out of money (and then tried to pay off the attorneys to drop the case), consistently showed lack of self-control....

    Dems couldn't care less about "losing". They're devastated the country is in the hands of the embodiment of every ugly Republican stereotype that conservatives try to claim isn't true.
  3. Standard member vivify
    rain
    14 Nov '16 05:10 / 1 edit
    That said, there's no "rebuilding" necessary, since Dems got 2 million more votes (and counting) than Reps in the last election. Dems just need to stay away from mere name recognition like Hillary's, and support good candidates like Sanders.
  4. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    14 Nov '16 11:51
    Originally posted by vivify
    I think you believe Dems are upset at losing an election, which is wrong.

    Dems are upset at someone running the country who openly promotes torture, killing families of suspected terrorists, prejudice against a religion, racism like calling Mexican immigrants rapists, sexual assault, refused to denounce support from the KKK, is egotistical enough to "ass ...[text shortened]... f the embodiment of every ugly Republican stereotype that conservatives try to claim isn't true.
    This. Oh, so much this.
  5. 14 Nov '16 12:24
    Originally posted by vivify
    I think you believe Dems are upset at losing an election, which is wrong.

    Dems are upset at someone running the country who openly promotes torture, killing families of suspected terrorists, prejudice against a religion, racism like calling Mexican immigrants rapists, sexual assault, refused to denounce support from the KKK, is egotistical enough to "ass ...[text shortened]... f the embodiment of every ugly Republican stereotype that conservatives try to claim isn't true.
    "I think you believe Dems are upset at losing an election, which is wrong. "
    actually i believe the Dems ARE upset at losing. the ones that nominated Clinton despite Sanders being a better choice. the ones that constantly undermined Sanders, the ones that push for the same crap that hurts regular people and helps rich people. The ones so out of touch with what the entire country needs, not just the rich.

    what you are talking about are normal people, be they dems, reps or independent.
  6. 14 Nov '16 15:16
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "I think you believe Dems are upset at losing an election, which is wrong. "
    actually i believe the Dems ARE upset at losing. the ones that nominated Clinton despite Sanders being a better choice. the ones that constantly undermined Sanders, the ones that push for the same crap that hurts regular people and helps rich people. The ones so out of touch wit ...[text shortened]... t the rich.

    what you are talking about are normal people, be they dems, reps or independent.
    But you have signs at the protests that say "Rape Melania". If they are woried about such an animal in power then why those kinds of signs?
  7. Standard member vivify
    rain
    14 Nov '16 16:45 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    But you have signs at the protests that say "Rape Melania". If they are woried about such an animal in power then why those kinds of signs?
    You're wrong. There weren't "signs"; there was *a* sign...singular. One singular protester doesn't represent the whole. It's not like when multiple Christian conservatives marched holding signs saying "God hates fags". There are many conservatives who agree that God thinks gays are an "abomination", since the bible says so; you won't find a liberal who believes Melania should be raped.

    For all we know, that singular protester may have been a Republican trying to sabotage the image of the protesters.
  8. 14 Nov '16 22:27 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by joe beyser to Zahlanzi
    But you have signs at the protests that say "Rape Melania". If they are woried about such an animal in power then why those kinds of signs?
    Many women in public life (including writers on the internet) receive threats of rape.
    But sexist right-wing men prefer to criticize a few of these threats while condoning the others.

    It already has been noted that, after arriving as an immigrant from Slovenia, Melania Knavs
    (her maiden name) worked illegally (before getting a work visa) in the United States.
  9. 15 Nov '16 01:49
    Originally posted by mchill
    I know these are not happy times for the left wing, but tucked inside the clouds of gloom that was the election of 2016, are some very nice silver (maybe golden) linings: 1. You get rid of the Clinton's! These folks are old, politically damaged, and are not doing their party any good. You now have time to look for younger, more inspiring candidates with far l ...[text shortened]... ime to get to work Democrats, your future can be a bright one if you use this time wisely.
    Appreciate that, but apparently Chelsea Clinton may be running for Congress.
  10. 15 Nov '16 01:50
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    But you have signs at the protests that say "Rape Melania". If they are woried about such an animal in power then why those kinds of signs?
    That and any slut-shaming of Melania is way out of line.
  11. 15 Nov '16 02:38 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    That and any slut-shaming of Melania is way out of line.
    Melania Trump's protected by the Secret Service. Most women threatened by rape are not as secure.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-threatened-to-kill-rape-accuser-if-she-reported-him-a7394846.html

    "Donald Trump 'Threatened to Kill Rape Accuser If She Reported Him'"
    --Samuel Osborne (3 November 2016)

    Women who have dared to accuse Donald Trump of sexual assault or harassment have been threatened.
  12. 15 Nov '16 05:52
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    Melania Trump's protected by the Secret Service. Most women threatened by rape are not as secure.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/donald-trump-threatened-to-kill-rape-accuser-if-she-reported-him-a7394846.html

    "Donald Trump 'Threatened to Kill Rape Accuser If She Reported Him'"
    --Samuel Osborne (3 November 2016)

    Women who have dared to accuse Donald Trump of sexual assault or harassment have been threatened.
    Absolutely agree, and not making any equivalence. Still, some of the attacks on her would not be made against a man and she's really just collateral damage.

    Bringing up whether she broke immigration laws - that's fair game. But posting pictures intending to convey her sluttiness - we have to be better than that.
  13. 15 Nov '16 19:38 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Kunsoo
    Absolutely agree, and not making any equivalence. Still, some of the attacks on her would not be made against a man and she's really just collateral damage.

    Bringing up whether she broke immigration laws - that's fair game. But posting pictures intending to convey her sluttiness - we have to be better than that.
    Of course, rape threats against anyone should not be made or condoned.
    As a celebrity in her own right (once a high-profile model), Melania Trump (nee Knavs)
    might well have received a rape threat even if she were not married to Donald Trump.

    I note that interrogators of suspected 'terrorists' or 'subversives' have threatened to rape
    them or their family members. and sometimes carried out these threats.
    In the film 'Imagining Argentina', the heroine (a mildly dissident writer) is abducted by the
    security forces. She's routinely raped by her captors. Her teenage daughter (who's
    'guilty by association' ) then is abducted. The man in charge explains to the heroine that
    the guards have become bored of raping her every day. So she will be given the privilege
    of choosing the first man to rape her daughter. She refuses to cooperate at all with them.
    Her daughter's raped both for the men's pleasure and to apply additional pressure upon her.

    Given the realities of the modeling business, I suspect that Melania Trump's aware of
    the dark side (including sexual harassment) of being judged upon her appearance.

    "In November 2016, the Associated Press reported that [Melania] Trump was paid $20.056
    for 10 modeling jobs in the United States *before* she had legal permission to work in the country."
    --Wikipedia