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  1. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    21 Jul '18 03:57
    A fabulous article full of interesting observations:

    Last year, a Pew report, "The Partisan Divide on Political Values Grows Even Wider," showed that the split between Democrats and Republicans on key political values reached a record during the Obama years and grew "even larger" in President Trump's first year.

    Pew's methodology was simple. Starting in 1994, they asked Democrats and Republicans where they stood on 10 key issues, ranging from welfare and racial discrimination, to defense and immigration.

    The results were stark and unequivocal.

    As we reported in October of 2017, "The results show that while the Republican center moved only slightly to the right over the past 23 years, the center of the Democratic part shifted far to the left."

    Likewise, a 2015 academic study by scholars at the University of Oregon, Princeton University and the University of Houston, found that state Democratic parties since the late 1990s have "become more liberal." But the Republicans, again, haven't moved ideologically much at all.

    There is a deeper history to this, of course. In 1972, the Democratic Convention was hijacked by far-left supporters and delegates for progressive peace candidate George McGovern. Since then, the Democratic Party has been drifting more or less continually to the left.

    Of course, during the 1980s, Democrats had to reckon with the popularity and effective leadership of Ronald Reagan. They pulled back toward the center. Moderate and conservative Democrats even helped to pass Reagan's tax cuts and his defense buildup.

    But that reversion to moderation didn't last.


    Many people act as if it was the "right" that is not representative of the past. That is perhaps somewhat true on some big picture issues, but the movement to the sharp, partisan movements & shifts within our lifetimes has largely been an affair of the Democrats.

    Democratic Party: Losing Its Grip?
    And others whom Democrats think they can rely on to return to power might not be so reliable.

    Blacks, Asians and Hispanics enjoy record low or near-record low unemployment rates. And polls show they have increasing confidence in their financial future.

    As for Millennials, that 70 million bloc of potential voters, very bad news for the Democrats: A recent Reuters/Ipsos poll of 16,000 millennials in May found that their support for Democrats had fallen from 55% to just 46% in just two years. Many of them have found jobs, bought homes and cars, and are starting families.

    The Democrats have rolled the dice with their sharp left turn. But no matter what you read in the media, it isn't the Republicans who've become "extreme." It's the Democrats.


    I am not sure how much to trust this last part's analysis but I find the observation to be certainly rather interesting.

    Link:
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/democrats-hard-left-turn/
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    21 Jul '18 05:273 edits
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    A fabulous article full of interesting observations:

    [quote]Last year, a Pew report, "The Partisan Divide on Political Values Grows Even Wider," showed that the split between Democrats and Republicans on key political values reached a record during the Obama years and grew "even larger" in President Trump's first year.

    Pew's methodology was simple. ...[text shortened]... interesting.

    Link:
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/democrats-hard-left-turn/
    Research counts for little compared to the results of elections, and you'll note Democrats have won the vast majority of special elections since Trump took office, some of these in deep red voting areas. Mitch McConnell is even predicting grim times ahead for the GOP. I don't know where or if the Democrats are shifting, but it's clear most voters now prefer the left wing over what they see now.

    Interesting research you have there. Maybe it will help if they add a few pie charts. 😀

    http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/381653-mcconnell-predicts-gop-facing-a-storm-during-midterms

    https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/04/25/us/politics/special-election-results-shift-democratic.html
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    21 Jul '18 07:43
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    A fabulous article full of interesting observations:

    [quote]Last year, a Pew report, "The Partisan Divide on Political Values Grows Even Wider," showed that the split between Democrats and Republicans on key political values reached a record during the Obama years and grew "even larger" in President Trump's first year.

    Pew's methodology was simple. ...[text shortened]... interesting.

    Link:
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/democrats-hard-left-turn/
    Would you say that with Trump the Right have shifted in an extreme way to the right or just severely to the right?

    See, that question is as biased as your editorial.
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    21 Jul '18 11:26
    Democrats shifting left is like saying water is getting wetter.
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    21 Jul '18 11:47
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Democrats shifting left is like saying water is getting wetter.
    The Democratic Party could use a big kick-in-the-pants shift to the left.

    The Democrats in America aren't nearly enough left. Most are Moderates, giving lip-service to their 'lefty-ness'. We need some big new ideas in this country, like taxing the rich and making higher education free for all. We are the richest nation on earth, yet all we're doing with it is handing it over to the ultra-rich. It's about time we supported the ultra-poor. Eliminate poverty in this country. Eliminate hunger. Eliminate homelessness. Eliminate lobbyists in Washington who keep us from doing ANYthing good.

    Trickle-down economics DOES NOT WORK. We need to turn that trickle into a flood. Bring back the middle-class. Bring back a fair-day's-wage for a fair-day's-work. Bring back MADE IN AMERICA.

    But we need to start by kicking Trump to the curb. Drain the swamp FOR REAL so that we CAN 'Make America Great Again'. Make every citizen of this great nation PROUD to be an American again.
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    21 Jul '18 12:07
    I agree. In fact, if we boost economic productivity and prosperity via education at every level for everyone along with a minimum wage that is truly a living wage and decent universal health care, our economy will grow by leaps and bounds and that huge national debt will start to be paid down. A growing, strong and healthy middle class is the best path to prosperity for all.
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    21 Jul '18 12:41
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    A fabulous article full of interesting observations:

    [quote]Last year, a Pew report, "The Partisan Divide on Political Values Grows Even Wider," showed that the split between Democrats and Republicans on key political values reached a record during the Obama years and grew "even larger" in President Drumpf's first year.

    Pew's methodology was simple ...[text shortened]... interesting.

    Link:
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/democrats-hard-left-turn/
    for your education: a couple of observations

    1. taking information from a financial magazine about how the democrats shifted left is like taking advice from wolves asking you to not have so many sheepdogs watching your sheep.
    2. unemployment figures being low means jack if the wages are almost too low to subsist on. whhat matters is if there are plenty of well paying jobs, not if you can work as a practical indentured servant.
    3. as for millenials dropping their support for democrats, the reason is obvious : they are dropping their support for the corrupt, corporation owned spineless cowards. The ones who declare themselves so outrage for what the president says then vote for tax cuts and military budget increases and deregulation.
    4. If you support common sense laws, something all countries in the developed world have, it is not extreme.
    Healthcare as a right, not a privilege . College education for anyone capable of learning, Everyone paying their fair share in taxes. No more millions of dollars in politics from corporate donors.
    This is not extreme. Everyone has it. Except you. YOU are the extreme. You are the ones with the most bloated military budget. You are the ones with the most money in politics. You are the ones with the most people in jail per capita.
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    21 Jul '18 12:49
    Originally posted by @zahlanzi

    1. taking information from a financial magazine about how the democrats shifted left is like taking advice from wolves asking you to not have so many sheepdogs watching your sheep.
    If someone comments on zahlooneys sources, like cracked magazine or bee what's her name he get's a bit sooky. People aren't to attack the source, but the message.

    But it's ok for him to do.

    Zahlooney logic 🙄
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    21 Jul '18 12:57
    Liberals embraced Hitler's belief about brainwashing the youth. It works.
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    21 Jul '18 13:381 edit
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Liberals embraced Hitler's belief about brainwashing the youth. It works.
    Funny that it's conservatives youths that are marching in the streets holding Nazi signs and chanting Nazi slogans calling for their supposed superior white race to rule our nation again. HUH! You really get dummer by the day loser boy. LOL
    YouTube
    Today's conservative youths. LOL, who's doing the brain washing loser boy? Next you wil be brain washing them to believe it's okay to rape women that are passed out hey rapist lover??? lol You're worthless to God, America, and the world.
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    21 Jul '18 18:491 edit
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    A fabulous article full of interesting observations:

    [quote]Last year, a Pew report, "The Partisan Divide on Political Values Grows Even Wider," showed that the split between Democrats and Republicans on key political values reached a record during the Obama years and grew "even larger" in President Trump's first year.

    Pew's methodology was simple. ...[text shortened]... interesting.

    Link:
    https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/democrats-hard-left-turn/
    The country is shifting Left:

    Yet Millennials are the only generation in which a majority (57% ) holds consistently liberal (25% ) or mostly liberal (32% ) positions across these measures. Just 12% have consistently or mostly conservative attitudes, the lowest of any generation. Another 31% of Millennials have a mix of conservative and liberal views.

    Among Gen Xers and Boomers, larger shares also express consistently or mostly liberal views than have conservative positions. Silents are the only generation in which those with consistently or mostly conservative views (40% ) outnumber those with liberal attitudes (28% ).

    http://www.people-press.org/2018/03/01/the-generation-gap-in-american-politics/

    The future is with the young and they have moved to positions that are incompatible with right wing dogma or even the present status quo. Change is a-coming and folks like Philo aren't going to like where it leads.
  12. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    22 Jul '18 00:18
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Research counts for little compared to the results of elections, and you'll note Democrats have won the vast majority of special elections since Trump took office, some of these in deep red voting areas. Mitch McConnell is even predicting grim times ahead for the GOP. I don't know where or if the Democrats are shifting, but it's clear most voters now prefer ...[text shortened]... ww.nytimes.com/interactive/2018/04/25/us/politics/special-election-results-shift-democratic.html
    These things aren't mutually exclusive.

    It is merely that some people would say that the majority of people have shifted hard left out of a natural inclination, while I would say that it was a prolonged propaganda effort headed by mass media.
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    22 Jul '18 00:22
    Originally posted by @zahlanzi
    for your education: a couple of observations

    1. taking information from a financial magazine about how the democrats shifted left is like taking advice from wolves asking you to not have so many sheepdogs watching your sheep.
    2. unemployment figures being low means jack if the wages are almost too low to subsist on. whhat matters is if there are plent ...[text shortened]... ones with the most money in politics. You are the ones with the most people in jail per capita.
    None of this deals with the idea that the Democrats have not been the ones shifting to the hard left. So, I guess I'm glad you agree with the general point that has been presented.

    You are also right that a significant amount of the left is shifting further left and that may be expressed as not voting for more hypocritical, mainstream left politicians.

    However, there were some numbers that showed the majority of white 20-somethings, both male and female, preferring Pres. Trump, which was largely unexpected. There are also interesting numbers on Generation Z considering itself to be less liberal than previous generations but it is hard to say that this necessarily translates into hard conservatism because it may simply be that they view liberal in a very different light.

    Many have said, though, that the pendulum is swinging back.
  14. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    22 Jul '18 00:24
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    The country is shifting Left:

    Yet Millennials are the only generation in which a majority (57% ) holds consistently liberal (25% ) or mostly liberal (32% ) positions across these measures. Just 12% have consistently or mostly conservative attitudes, the lowest of any generation. Another 31% of Millennials have a mix of conservative and liberal views. ...[text shortened]... present status quo. Change is a-coming and folks like Philo aren't going to like where it leads.
    There are conflicting numbers on things like this, though:

    When asked to comment on same-sex marriage, transgender rights and cannabis legislation, 59 per cent of Generation X teenagers said they had conservative views.


    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3790614/They-don-t-like-drugs-gay-marriage-HATE-tattoos-Generation-Z-conservative-WW2.html

    But I do agree, change is coming.

    Sweden Democrat sjust became the most popular party in all of Sweden; our President is a closet Fascist in the USA, and probably is privately a white nationalist.
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    22 Jul '18 01:27
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    The country is shifting Left:

    Yet Millennials are the only generation in which a majority (57% ) holds consistently liberal (25% ) or mostly liberal (32% ) positions across these measures. Just 12% have consistently or mostly conservative attitudes, the lowest of any generation. Another 31% of Millennials have a mix of conservative and liberal views. ...[text shortened]... present status quo. Change is a-coming and folks like Philo aren't going to like where it leads.
    ummmm...are you overlooking the last ELECTION? LOL...WHAT A DUMBASS
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