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  1. Standard member RevRSleeker
    CerebrallyChallenged
    30 Dec '10 04:03
    Danish police arrested five people earlier in connection with an 'imminent attack' on the publishers of the Prophet Mohammad cartoons in 2005. Alas, this won't be the last attempt such was the severe unrest caused by that publication...
    http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/five-arrested-for-danish-terror-plot-75784
  2. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    30 Dec '10 04:08
    Originally posted by RevRSleeker
    Danish police arrested five people earlier in connection with an 'imminent attack' on the publishers of the Prophet Mohammad cartoons in 2005. Alas, this won't be the last attempt such was the severe unrest caused by that publication...
    http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/five-arrested-for-danish-terror-plot-75784
    It wasn't caused by the publication of the cartoons, it was caused by some nut jobs following an even more nutty jobby religion.
  3. Standard member RevRSleeker
    CerebrallyChallenged
    30 Dec '10 05:17 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    It wasn't caused by the publication of the cartoons, it was caused by some nut jobs following an even more nutty jobby religion.
    I take it by that that you've accidentally omitted 'extremist elements' ( of that nutty jobby religion ) ...
    Ah, I stand corrected, right you were first time off...apologies lol.
  4. Standard member Lundos
    Back to basics
    30 Dec '10 21:23
    Terrorism becomes very real when somebody wants to blow up a building about 1 km from where you live. However, the PET (sort of the Danish FBI) was completely in control of the situation and they haven't even raised the alarm level.
  5. Standard member spruce112358
    Democracy Advocate
    30 Dec '10 22:19
    Originally posted by RevRSleeker
    Danish police arrested five people earlier in connection with an 'imminent attack' on the publishers of the Prophet Mohammad cartoons in 2005. Alas, this won't be the last attempt such was the severe unrest caused by that publication...
    http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/five-arrested-for-danish-terror-plot-75784
    It is not an issue that Islam bans certain forms of free speech. As long as those laws are voted in by a majority, a society can have what rules they like. Also if someone decides individually to go on a shooting spree -- for whatever reason including "an offense against Islam" -- we aren't going to hold a group responsible for that individual's actions.

    We should take issue with imams inciting, though. When an imam preaches to a public audience that Danish cartoonists must be killed, that violates Mill's "harm principle" limitation on free speech: "the only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others."

    It would be reasonable to sanction nations that refused to prosecute imams whose preaching could be shown to have caused harm to others.

    NB. I strongly disagree with the "offense principle" extension of limitations on free speech.
  6. 30 Dec '10 23:37 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by RevRSleeker
    Danish police arrested five people earlier in connection with an 'imminent attack' on the publishers of the Prophet Mohammad cartoons in 2005. Alas, this won't be the last attempt such was the severe unrest caused by that publication...
    http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/five-arrested-for-danish-terror-plot-75784
    The five were more fundamentalists than muslims. There are fundamentalists of every religion, and they behave much the same.

    The terror attack in Stockholm the 10th of December (I think it was) when (thanks god) only one person was killed (the suicide bomber himself) was followed by a fatwa *against* actions like this, and demonstrations in the bigger cities around Sweden by muslims condemning the act.

    The worst thing that can happen now, apart the terrorist actions itself, is actions by the racists, which are as severe as the terrorists themselves. Until now, everyone is calm in Sweden, SÄPO (the Swedish security police) is doing its job.

    The Danish and Swedish cartoonists has their right to publish their 'art'. We live in countries where the freedom of press and art and speach is strong. The fundamentalists are using this to provoke, nothing more.
  7. Standard member RevRSleeker
    CerebrallyChallenged
    31 Dec '10 20:51
    So what do you do when the likes of the individual below who was inciting such acts yet is resident within the UK...there are too many of these religious zealots that demand the rights of the law where they live ..they preach whatever they wish and breed contempt and violence to all that entertain their vitriol.
    It's idiots like this that make a mockery of the Euro Human Rights legislation, he has massive support even in prison and has cost the UK taxpayer $5M defending his rights against many extraditions to various countries and then we're told we can't deport him as it'd infringe his human rights on grounds of he'd 'incur excessive treatments at the hands of his own kinsmen'...how crazy is this !! THESE men are the very ground level individuals that do the final 'inspiring' \ teaching \ training etc of the warped minded to blow up, to maim whoever they decide is worthy of action under holy war...he even had his own son involve himself in murderous acts.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Hamza_al-Masri
  8. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    04 Jan '11 07:19
    Originally posted by RevRSleeker
    So what do you do when the likes of the individual below who was inciting such acts yet is resident within the UK...
    You treat them like a criminal. Like you would with anyone who wants to blow something up.

    You don't go generalizing whole parts of the population.
  9. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    04 Jan '11 08:31
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    It wasn't caused by the publication of the cartoons, it was caused by some nut jobs following an even more nutty jobby religion.
    .....so if the cartoons were not published, what alternate scenario would have ensued?
  10. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    04 Jan '11 14:18
    And anyways, it shouldn't be Moslims trying to bomb the publishers, it should be anybody with a sense of humour or artistic merit... they're the one's who should really be offended. Those cartoons were crap.
  11. 04 Jan '11 14:28
    Originally posted by FabianFnas
    The five were more fundamentalists than muslims. There are fundamentalists of every religion, and they behave much the same.

    The terror attack in Stockholm the 10th of December (I think it was) when (thanks god) only one person was killed (the suicide bomber himself) was followed by a fatwa *against* actions like this, and demonstrations in the bigger ...[text shortened]... ess and art and speach is strong. The fundamentalists are using this to provoke, nothing more.
    no that is not the case, the publishers also published caricatures of Christ and how many Christians were moved to acts of reprisal? . . . . eerie silence.
  12. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    04 Jan '11 14:33
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    no that is not the case, the publishers also published caricatures of Christ and how many Christians were moved to acts of reprisal? . . . . eerie silence.
    thats not to say that card carrying Christians can't be moved to irrational acts of violence. I'm sure the right to lifers who plot and kill the death of doctors who perform abortions consider themselves friends of God. Its not just the belief system, its also the context of the believer.
  13. 04 Jan '11 14:50
    Originally posted by kmax87
    thats not to say that card carrying Christians can't be moved to irrational acts of violence. I'm sure the right to lifers who plot and kill the death of doctors who perform abortions consider themselves friends of God. Its not just the belief system, its also the context of the believer.
    yes that is true, however, its an entirely separate incident and related only within the context of argument, for printing a cartoon, naming a teddy bear Mohammed are hardly as weighty as taking the life of an unborn which those so called 'right to life', Christians (nominal only) hold as being tantamount to murder. One can, if not agree with, understand at least why those right to life nominal Christians acted in the way they did (not an endorsement in any way, so please dont construe it as such), but to strap explosives to your body with the sole purpose of taking the life of another because of a cartoon is justifiable within what context?
  14. 04 Jan '11 14:58
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    ... hardly as weighty as taking the life of an unborn which those so called 'right to life', Christians (nominal only) hold as being tantamount to murder. ...
    I would never let my sister die when I have the power to give her a blood transfusion and thus save her life. Never! Ever! It would be barbaric to me! It wouldn't be christian love to deny her her life.
  15. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    04 Jan '11 14:59
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    but to strap explosives to your body with the sole purpose of taking the life of another because of a cartoon is justifiable within what context?
    Don't mess wi da God.

    It's probably biblical. A lot of mad people do a lot of mad things because of those books.