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  1. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    09 Dec '09 15:43
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/12/09/how_a_new_york_times_columnist_hurts_fellow_blacks_99465.html

    And, oh, how right he is.

    Frankly, I'm getting tired of some people who will play the race card each and every time any criticism is leveled against the President and those allegations of racism that accompany virtually every news story involving a black participant. The little thread the other day about "racism" in the Tiger Woods case is a classic example of how some people will grasp at straws to make racism allegations.

    As far as I'm concerned, unless you have some evidence or some solid reasoning, backed up by facts, that racism has played a role in something specific, it is irresponsible and destructive to level such accusations.
  2. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    09 Dec '09 16:08
    Originally posted by sh76
    As far as I'm concerned, unless you have some evidence or some solid reasoning, backed up by facts, that racism has played a role in something specific, it is irresponsible and destructive to level such accusations.
    What about the ratio of black:white who get executed in the U.S.?
  3. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    09 Dec '09 16:52 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by FMF
    What about the ratio of black:white who get executed in the U.S.?
    I'm perfectly happy to see the death penalty go all together, so I'm not going to give you an impassioned defense of the death penalty as applied.

    However, studies have generally shown that given a murder conviction, the race of the defendant is basically irrelevant in predicting whether a death sentence will be handed out. What has been shown to be significant is the race of the victim. You can read all about the studies in the landmark US Supreme Court case, MCCLESKEY V. KEMP, 481 U. S. 279.

    http://supreme.justia.com/us/481/279/case.html

    In any case, numbers are numbers and can be fudged in any direction you like,especially if one is willing to ignore all other factors and lack proper controls in one's analysis.

    http://www.prodeathpenalty.com/racism.htm

    Third, let's assume there is racism in the application of the death penalty. That's terrible. It should be stopped. Better yet, drop the death penalty all together and there won't be a problem. But that has nothing to do with the invalid and unsupported accusations of racism that constantly fly from some people that cause people to stop taking racism accusations seriously when they are substantiated.

    Take for example, Harry Reid's playing of the slavery card in the healthcare debate that I posted about in another thread. He didn't say the word racism, but you don't bring up slavery except to play the race card by implication. Take Jason Whitlock's accusation, drawn from thin air, that Tiger Woods is the victim of racism in his recent scandal. Take the NYT's article that was being ripped by the article in my OP. Those are all absurd and unwarranted playing of the race card. All the accomplish is to increase racial tension and cannot possibly be constructive in that they're so vague and don't identify any specifics.
  4. 09 Dec '09 16:54
    Originally posted by FMF
    What about the ratio of black:white who get executed in the U.S.?
    then what? do away with jury trials?