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Yes, I realize that some Republicans can be more liberal than others, so they're not exactly the same. But fundamentally, are the core beliefs of the GOP any different from the core tenants of conservativism? For example, is favoring the reduction of government considered a conservative, or a Republican stance?
I also ask the same about Democrates vs. liberals. For example, is government-run healthcare more of a Democratic or liberal stance?
Thanks for your help.
29 Sep 13
Originally posted by vivifyThe insurance thing must be liberal and not Democrat, since it was originated by a Republican for his state.
Yes, I realize that some Republicans can be more liberal than others, so they're not exactly the same. But fundamentally, are the core beliefs of the GOP any different from the core tenants of conservativism? For example, is favoring the reduction of government considered a conservative, or a Republican stance?
I also ask the same about Democrates vs. ...[text shortened]... is government-run healthcare more of a Democratic or liberal stance?
Thanks for your help.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/65079/obamacare-explained-in-7-easy-steps-by-its-original-creator-mitt-romney
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29 Sep 13
Originally posted by vivifyNeither party wants "less government." Historically, how many parties who have obtained the power to govern, have willingly reduced their power? Once in a while an individual person comes along, but they are generally not heavily supported by a party. People want OTHER people to have less power. That fact can't be denied, especially by those very people on this forum who call for less government.
Yes, I realize that some Republicans can be more liberal than others, so they're not exactly the same. But fundamentally, are the core beliefs of the GOP any different from the core tenants of conservativism? For example, is favoring the reduction of government considered a conservative, or a Republican stance?
I also ask the same about Democrates vs. ...[text shortened]... is government-run healthcare more of a Democratic or liberal stance?
Thanks for your help.
29 Sep 13
Originally posted by SahuaroAnd "W" created a massive entitlement knows as the Drugs for Seniors program.
The insurance thing must be liberal and not Democrat, since it was originated by a Republican for his state.
http://www.policymic.com/articles/65079/obamacare-explained-in-7-easy-steps-by-its-original-creator-mitt-romney
Currently the GOP is making a stink over Obamacare, but nothing will change because they really like it. You simply have to seperate their demagoguery from reality. For example, the democrats blame Bush for wars abroad even though they voted to go in the first place and have attacked Libya as well. Too bad Obama felt he had to delay attacking Syria.
I grow tired of the drama in Washington and is laughable. For example, they GOP went head to head with the DNC over the debt ceilling. Essentially they were only aruging over nickles and dimes when it came trillions in deficit spending. LOL.
29 Sep 13
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Originally posted by moon1969As Mark Levin aptly points out in his book Liberty Amendments, it has nothing to do with the two party system, rather, it has to do with a centralized post-Constitutional Leviathan known as the Federal government.
Which party do you vote for? Or do you stay home and not vote?
When the Founding Fathers signed the Constitution there was great fear that the Federal government would become what it has become today, so much so that some refused to sign the Constitution.
29 Sep 13
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Originally posted by EladarI wish more people would refuse to vote for the likes of Romney or Obama.
Why vote when there is no one to vote for? So you can say that you voted? So you can feel like you made a decision?
If you believe so, then you are very stupid.
It would speak volumes if only say 20% of the population even bothered to vote. It would show that the "democratic" government has no support as we are all dragged by our hair into their egaltarian utopia.
Then again, Congress only has a 14% approval rating and no one seems to give a damn.
30 Sep 13
Originally posted by JS357I concur if the reason for voting is to be able to wear a cheap sticker. Despite the overall similarities, there are some pretty obvious differences. On party now favors pushing forward the ACA, and the other doesn't. Some within the opposition party favor going along to get along, while a few in the other party oppose the ACA as they did when it was passed.
I agree -- you should not vote.
Remember, that when the ACA was passed, there was a healthy Democratic majority in both Senate and House. Enough Democrats were no votes to require the Stupak amendment, which brought Democrat Bart Stupak over to the dark side. Foolish boy, because once his vote was counted, his amendment was stripped out, and the next year so was he.
Even with a 59-41 majority in the Senate, it was necessary to bribe two Democratic Senators, Landrieu and Nelson.
There may not be enough of a difference, but there is a difference between the two parties.
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30 Sep 13
Originally posted by normbenignI was being specific -- Eladar should not vote.
I concur if the reason for voting is to be able to wear a cheap sticker. Despite the overall similarities, there are some pretty obvious differences. On party now favors pushing forward the ACA, and the other doesn't. Some within the opposition party favor going along to get along, while a few in the other party oppose the ACA as they did when it was p ...[text shortened]... .
There may not be enough of a difference, but there is a difference between the two parties.
03 Oct 13
Originally posted by EladarIn many ways the two party system has taken the right to vote directly away. If the candidates are so bad in a voters eyes that they should not hold the office, then not voting can be an indirect vote. For example if everyone that can't stand either candidate didn't vote instead of the voting for the lesser of the two evils, or along party lines, then just maybe a potential candidate can have a chance to win if he stands for the values of this non voter pool. I am not saying that folks shouldn't vote for someone because there is minor differences, but damn!!! look what we have been getting for presidents. Very sad state of affairs.
Why vote when there is no one to vote for? So you can say that you voted? So you can feel like you made a decision?
If you believe so, then you are very stupid.
04 Oct 13
Originally posted by vivifyThe Republican and Democratic parties are coalitions of single issue voters, that have little to nothing to do with ideological purity.
Seems like I wasn't clear enough. Let me try again.
What beliefs make some a Democrat or Republican? And are those beliefs different from what makes someone a liberal or conservative respectively?
Democrats like to be thought of as "liberal" except when Republicans use the label as a hammer.
Republicans like to be thought of as "conservative" except when doing so may make them less popular.