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  1. 14 Aug '17 10:24
    We have all heard the phrase, diversity is our strength. This term seems to be originated from those in the US and abroad who seek to promote other races and cultures to mix in their own. However, is it a correct assumption?

    When looking at these same voices that preach diversity and tolerance from the loudest roof topes, it is these very same voices that create safe zones and create the fascist PC culture that we see at Google and the US government, etc. In fact, the very existence of the PC culture proves that they do not really believe what they are saying. Instead, they only want to promote certain aspects of diversity that only agree with their own world views and none that conflict with those world views.

    Looking at history, mixing cultures and races has not always produced a desirable outcome, that is, for all involved. The European immigration into America is but one example, Those immigrants had no interest in mixing with the native people. They abhorred their culture, religion, and way of life. They were labeled savages and seen as regressive and needed to be exterminated.

    However, other immigrants that came from abroad seemed to mix just fine in the US once those native people were put aside. So what were the differences that made one example of diversity turn into genocide and the other turn into a success story? I suppose it depends on the differences between the groups is the key. For diverse groups to coexist, there needs to be an underlying set of goals and values that can overcome those differences. The wrong mix can be deadly.

    So what are those key values and/or goals that need to be present?
  2. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    14 Aug '17 12:35 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @whodey
    We have all heard the phrase, diversity is our strength. This term seems to be originated from those in the US and abroad who seek to promote other races and cultures to mix in their own. However, is it a correct assumption?

    When looking at these same voices that preach diversity and tolerance from the loudest roof topes, it is these very same voices th ...[text shortened]... e wrong mix can be deadly.

    So what are those key values and/or goals that need to be present?
    ===The European immigration into America is but one example, Those immigrants had no interest in mixing with the native people. They abhorred their culture, religion, and way of life. They were labeled savages and seen as regressive and needed to be exterminated.

    However, other immigrants that came from abroad seemed to mix just fine in the US once those native people were put aside. So what were the differences that made one example of diversity turn into genocide and the other turn into a success story?===

    I'm confused, whodey.

    Which wave of European immigration to the US failed and led to genocide?

    Edit: Oh, you mean before the US was a country and the genocide of the NA.

    Got it.
  3. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    14 Aug '17 13:07 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @sh76
    ===The European immigration into America is but one example, Those immigrants had no interest in mixing with the native people. They abhorred their culture, religion, and way of life. They were labeled savages and seen as regressive and needed to be exterminated.

    However, other immigrants that came from abroad seemed to mix just fine in the US once those ...[text shortened]... nocide?

    Edit: Oh, you mean before the US was a country and the genocide of the NA.

    Got it.
    Oh, you mean before the US was a country and the genocide of the NA.

    God you like your history sanitised SH76.

    No way you can get away with that unhistorical sentence. It is so untrue it is crazy. If anything, the British Empire made (limp) efforts, the French Empire stronger efforts to restrain the aggression of white settlers against native Americans, and a major driver of independence was to remove all restraint and benefit the land speculators.

    The purpose of independence was to permit genocide, which mainly followed, rather than preceding the formation of the USA.

    Here's that great USA hero Lincoln at work:

    http://oneclickcheck.com/never-knew-abraham-lincoln-ordered-largest-mass-hanging-us-history/

    Wounded Knee was not until 1890.
  4. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    14 Aug '17 13:20
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    Oh, you mean before the US was a country and the genocide of the NA.

    God you lke your history sanitised SH76.

    No way you can get away with that unhistorical sentence. It is so untrue it is crazy. If anything, the British Empire made (limp) efforts, the French Empire stronger efforts to restrain the aggression of white settlers against nativ ...[text shortened]... new-abraham-lincoln-ordered-largest-mass-hanging-us-history/

    Wounded Knee was not until 1890.
    There you go again. Unbelievable.

    Will you stop reading so goddamned much into everything?

    When I said "before the US was a country" I was referring to the "European immigration" referenced in whodey's post? I didn't realize what he was referring to and was thinking which wave of immigration to the US as a country led to genocide. Then, I edited my post to tell whodey I figured out what we was referring to and there was no need to explain.

    This bug up your butt to kill the US at every possible opportunity is downright incredible.
  5. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    14 Aug '17 13:22
    Originally posted by @whodey
    We have all heard the phrase, diversity is our strength. This term seems to be originated from those in the US and abroad who seek to promote other races and cultures to mix in their own. However, is it a correct assumption?

    When looking at these same voices that preach diversity and tolerance from the loudest roof topes, it is these very same voices th ...[text shortened]... e wrong mix can be deadly.

    So what are those key values and/or goals that need to be present?
    You are such a twisted fool it is often tiresome to reply.

    If you imagine there was no "mixing" between early white settlers and native Americans then you are just illiterate; God knows what you Americans are taught in school apart from flag waving nationalism. There was little to prevent a successful merging of the two into a successful, emerging settlement of the continent. That is not to say it was an easy or simple matter but it is superbly investigated for example in an American classic (why do you guys not read your own history classics?) called The Middle Ground, by Richard White.

    When you manage to absorb imperial expansion (the USA is itself an continental empire on conquered territory, no different in that respect to the Russian or Habsburg or Ottoman or Chinese Empires - remind us why Guam is American again), genocide, slavery and segregation into your grasp of history, and bear in mind that segregation is still recent and to a degree still actually ongoing history there, then maybe you will have something to discuss. Maybe you should add in a study of US policies on immigration, its approach for example to Chinese and Japanese immgrants, never mind the early reception of Jewish, Irish, or Italian migrants, and its commitment for example to eugenics. Certainly the Nazi Party in Germany looked to you guys for models to emulate.

    You write: "For diverse groups to coexist, there needs to be an underlying set of goals and values that can overcome those differences."

    Wrong. What diverse groups in successive waves of migration have encountered and had to overcome was not cultural differences - people are great at working out stuff like that - but officially promoted white supremacy and racism.
  6. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    14 Aug '17 13:46 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @sh76
    There you go again. Unbelievable.

    Will you stop reading so goddamned much into everything?

    When I said "before the US was a country" I was referring to the "European immigration" referenced in whodey's post? I didn't realize what he was referring to and was thinking which wave of immigration to the US as a country led to genocide. Then, I edited my post ...[text shortened]...

    This bug up your butt to kill the US at every possible opportunity is downright incredible.
    I responded in a relevant and justified way to the words on the screen, not the deep psychological mystery of your supposedly "real" intentions.
  7. 14 Aug '17 13:49 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    You are such a twisted fool it is often tiresome to reply.

    If you imagine there was no "mixing" between early white settlers and native Americans then you are just illiterate; God knows what you Americans are taught in school apart from flag waving nationalism. There was little to prevent a successful merging of the two into a successful, emerging sett ...[text shortened]... e are great at working out stuff like that - but officially promoted white supremacy and racism.
    So would you then say that the native population was largely embraced except for a few elite TREAONOUS (i.e. anti-European), WHITE and CONSERVATIVE, SLAVE OWNERS who created the Declaration of Independence?

    Did I cause an orgasmic sensation with that retort? After all, I aim to please!
  8. 14 Aug '17 14:03
    Originally posted by @whodey
    We have all heard the phrase, diversity is our strength. This term seems to be originated from those in the US and abroad who seek to promote other races and cultures to mix in their own. However, is it a correct assumption?

    When looking at these same voices that preach diversity and tolerance from the loudest roof topes, it is these very same voices th ...[text shortened]... e wrong mix can be deadly.

    So what are those key values and/or goals that need to be present?
    Actually, the wave of Irish immigration (for example) in the 19th Century was met with severe hostility and much gnashing of teeth from Americans. People very much like you, whodey. And now you pretend like there is some fundamental difference between the immigration of Irish immigrants then and immigration to the U.S. today.

    Have you figured out yet what you think your "race" is?
  9. 14 Aug '17 14:20
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    Actually, the wave of Irish immigration (for example) in the 19th Century was met with severe hostility and much gnashing of teeth from Americans. People very much like you, whodey. And now you pretend like there is some fundamental difference between the immigration of Irish immigrants then and immigration to the U.S. today.

    Have you figured out yet what you think your "race" is?
    Ok, so I'll ask you.

    Is there any diversity that is hazardous or is the issue a despotic centralized government?

    For example, the Cherokee nation won a Supreme Court ruling to keep their land which was subsequently ignored by President Jackson, and he did so with impunity as thousands died on the Trail of Tears.

    So was the issue "people like me" or was it a despotic ruler?
  10. 14 Aug '17 14:25
    Diversity means people have differences. Do people like those differences? Are there differences that a society should not put up with?
  11. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    14 Aug '17 15:24
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    the USA is itself an continental empire on conquered territory, no different in that respect to the Russian or Habsburg or Ottoman or Chinese Empires
    Except we're a Republic not an Empire. No Sultans, Caliphs, Holy Roman Emperors, Czars etc. Just elected Presidents who step down after eight years of service.
  12. 14 Aug '17 16:14 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by @sh76

    This bug up your butt to kill the US at every possible opportunity is downright incredible.[/b]
    The Nazi Holocaust was not even European. It was merely an offshoot of the American Tea Party cuz they were all racists and alt right, don't ya know. It had nothing to do with glorious socialism that they embraced.

    Oh, and purge of Jews centuries prior that led to the Holocaust was a direct result of Christianity telling people to kill them all off. Had it not been for Christianity, the pagan Europeans would never have engaged in genocide. Thor would never have let it all happen.

    As for the Armenian genocide, it is not even worth talking about or educating our children about. Besides, those Christians had it coming.
  13. 14 Aug '17 16:43
    Originally posted by @whodey

    Is there any diversity that is hazardous [...]?
    Some time ago, your government issued an educational video to answer this question.

    YouTube
  14. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    14 Aug '17 23:59
    Originally posted by @whodey
    We have all heard the phrase, diversity is our strength. This term seems to be originated from those in the US and abroad who seek to promote other races and cultures to mix in their own. However, is it a correct assumption?

    When looking at these same voices that preach diversity and tolerance from the loudest roof topes, it is these very same voices th ...[text shortened]... e wrong mix can be deadly.

    So what are those key values and/or goals that need to be present?
    Really?

    Here's what people like you and robbie never seem to understand: if you don't want to be SEEN as a douche, then just don't BE a douche.
  15. 15 Aug '17 01:30 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @finnegan to Sh76
    Oh, you mean before the US was a country and the genocide of the NA.

    God you like your history sanitised SH76.

    No way you can get away with that unhistorical sentence. It is so untrue it is crazy. If anything, the British Empire made (limp) efforts, the French Empire stronger efforts to restrain the aggression of white settlers agai ...[text shortened]... new-abraham-lincoln-ordered-largest-mass-hanging-us-history/

    Wounded Knee was not until 1890.
    'Patriotic' American history textbooks like to celebrate a fiction of very diverse Americans
    (including blacks and 'Indians' ) joining together in a common cause against British oppression.
    The reality was much more complex and nuanced and less flattering to American patriotism.

    In the American War of Independence, most of the 'Indian' tribes sided with the British rather than the American 'patriots'.
    Given that the British had promised freedom to every slave who volunteered to fight for them,
    many slaves (including one of George Washington's) fled their American patriot masters to join the British camp.
    Many more slaves presumably would have done the same if they had been physically able.
    After the war, many of these former slaves were resettled in Canada (under British rule).
    These black Canadians became fiercely loyal to the Crown because they were afraid that
    the USA would invade Canada, capture them, and force them back into slavery.

    Jim Thorpe, who won gold medals for the USA at the 1912 Olympics, has been celebrated
    by the US media as one of the greatest American athletes. But when he represented the
    USA at the Olympics, Jim Thorpe, though born in the USA, was not even a US citizen.
    As an 'Indian', Jim Thorpe could not yet become a US citizen and was deprived of legal
    rights that white Americans took for granted. The US media tends to overlook that part.