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  1. 17 Aug '11 07:06
    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/jon-stewart-rips-media-for-ignoring-ron-paul/

    Even though Ron Paul narrowly was beaten by Bachmann in Iowa, if you watched the media you would not even know he was in the race.
  2. 17 Aug '11 12:08
    I'm surprised Jon Stewart did that piece. At least part of the media is acknowledging it. Maybe now people will talk about it more and Ron Paul will get more exposure.
  3. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    17 Aug '11 13:00
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    I'm surprised Jon Stewart did that piece. At least part of the media is acknowledging it. Maybe now people will talk about it more and Ron Paul will get more exposure.
    Okay, MB, you seem like a bright enough fellow, so time to fess up.

    Do you really think that Ron Paul's problem is lack of exposure and name recognition?

    Really?

    Come on. Everybody knows about Ron Paul by now. The libertarian. The gold standard. The isolationist. The passionate internet cult-like loyalty. I guarantee you that more people know about Ron Paul than Rick Perry or Michelle Bachmann (though perhaps not Romney). The reason people don't take his candidacy seriously is that he never, ever gets more than 10% in a national poll. He wins non-scientific polls because his following is probably the most loyal of any politician. But his following isn't big enough the win a major party nomination.

    Let him get 22% on a nationwide GOP nomination poll from Gallup or Zogby or Rasmussen and the media will start taking his candidacy seriously.
  4. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    17 Aug '11 13:10
    Yes he does:
    http://dissidentvoice.org/2011/05/don%E2%80%99t-fall-for-ron-paul/
    http://meldungen-aus-dem-exil.noblogs.org/post/2011/05/19/189/
  5. 17 Aug '11 13:49
    Originally posted by sh76
    Okay, MB, you seem like a bright enough fellow, so time to fess up.

    Do you really think that Ron Paul's problem is lack of exposure and name recognition?

    Really?

    Come on. Everybody knows about Ron Paul by now. The libertarian. The gold standard. The isolationist. The passionate internet cult-like loyalty. I guarantee you that more people know about Ron ...[text shortened]... ll from Gallup or Zogby or Rasmussen and the media will start taking his candidacy seriously.
    The problem in this case though is, as Stewart points out, that even though Ron Paul did far better than Huntsman or Santorum then they don't even mention him.

    Have Huntsman or Santorum ever gotten 22% on a nationwide poll?
  6. 17 Aug '11 13:50 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    Okay, MB, you seem like a bright enough fellow, so time to fess up.

    Do you really think that Ron Paul's problem is lack of exposure and name recognition?

    Really?

    Come on. Everybody knows about Ron Paul by now. The libertarian. The gold standard. The isolationist. The passionate internet cult-like loyalty. I guarantee you that more people know about Ron ll from Gallup or Zogby or Rasmussen and the media will start taking his candidacy seriously.
    I have been very consistent in saying that in 2008 people didn't know who Ron Paul was and what his policies were. Right now things are changing somewhat and have heard of Ron Paul more than they did back then, but most people DO NOT WATCH THE NEWS. Most people rely on short clips of the news on the radio and TV in between programs and even those that watch the news don't always pay attention to it the way you and I do.

    The fact of the matter is that nobody can get too much media attention unless it is all bad media attention. The fact of the matter is that Ron Paul would do better if he was asked questions about his positions rather than letting people think things that are not true. For example, Ron Paul sounds bad if you hear he wants to do away with the Dept. of Education. But if you asked him why he would do such a thing he would explain it is a federal dept. and that it is only something that would then be bumped to the state level because he is just promoting states rights. Public schools still go on as they have been.

    Seriously? You really think that most people vote based on policy? You are dead wrong! People vote for the guy they heard about most, not who has the best policies.

    Rick Perry enjoys high poll numbers and it is not because of his policies. He was a democrat for crying out loud. He was Al Gore's campaign manager! He switched parties because his buddy Karl Rove needed him to keep Jim Hightower out of office. He invested in porn magazines. Are you going to tell me with a straight face that Perry's policies got him the poll numbers he is enjoying? Also, why is the news media mostly silent about these things? Do you really think republicans would favor Perry if they knew he was Al Gores campaign manager and invested in porn?
    If Ron Paul is so easy to beat why doesn't the news media give him lots of interviews and allow him to hoist himself by his own petard? Come on, you are a smart fellow. I even respect you and your debating skills but this is not like you.
    Why don't you give me your explanation as to why the news media says all the good things about Rick Perry but stays strangely silent about the bad things. If that is not media bias what is it?
  7. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    17 Aug '11 14:26
    Originally posted by PsychoPawn
    The problem in this case though is, as Stewart points out, that even though Ron Paul did far better than Huntsman or Santorum then they don't even mention him.

    Have Huntsman or Santorum ever gotten 22% on a nationwide poll?
    Is the "media" taking the Santorum or Huntsman candidacy seriously right now? If it is, I don't see it.

    I see the media mainly discussing Perry, Bachmann and Romney right now.
  8. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    17 Aug '11 15:25
    Originally posted by sh76
    Okay, MB, you seem like a bright enough fellow, so time to fess up.
    What?
  9. 17 Aug '11 15:47
    Originally posted by Palynka
    What?
    Why don't you respond to my last post? It will be fun....for me.
  10. Standard member DrKF
    incipit parodia
    17 Aug '11 15:47
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    most people DO NOT WATCH THE NEWS. Most people rely on short clips of the news on the radio and TV in between programs and even those that watch the news don't always pay attention to it the way you and I do.


    Seriously? You really think that most people vote based on policy? You are dead wrong! People vote for the guy they heard about most, not who has the best policies.

    See also: tell me what you think you know Thread 141341.
  11. 17 Aug '11 15:52
    Originally posted by sh76
    Is the "media" taking the Santorum or Huntsman candidacy seriously right now? If it is, I don't see it.

    I see the media mainly discussing Perry, Bachmann and Romney right now.
    His point was that the media gave Santorum and Huntsman mention over Ron Paul even though they did horribly in the straw poll. Did you even watch the video?
  12. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    17 Aug '11 15:54
    Originally posted by Metal Brain
    Why don't you respond to my last post? It will be fun....for me.
    I have better ways of wasting my time for the moment.
  13. 17 Aug '11 15:58
    Originally posted by Palynka
    I have better ways of wasting my time for the moment.
    Chicken!
  14. Standard member DrKF
    incipit parodia
    17 Aug '11 15:58
    Originally posted by Palynka
    I have better ways of wasting my time for the moment.
    I want to see metalbrain and savage4731 go toe-to-toe more than I know how to say.
  15. 17 Aug '11 16:03
    Originally posted by sh76
    Is the "media" taking the Santorum or Huntsman candidacy seriously right now? If it is, I don't see it.

    I see the media mainly discussing Perry, Bachmann and Romney right now.
    Metal Brain mentioned what my point was, but trying again..

    The point is that Ron Paul came in second (a relatively close second) in the straw poll. Huntsman got less than 100 votes and Santorum was beat by the guy who quit the race because he did so poorly.

    However, when the news media talked about it they said things like "Huntsman can't be ruled out" - when they completely ignored Ron Paul.

    There are other examples that Jon Stewart gives where they jump over Ron Paul's name as if it wasn't even there.