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  1. 28 Oct '16 20:56
    "Just thinking to myself right now, we should just cancel the election and give it to Trump."
    --Donald Trump (28 October 2016)

    Given his ignorance of and disrespect for the US Constitution, it's clear
    that if Donald Trump won the election, he would like to act as though
    the American people had chosen him to become their dictator (a new Caesar)
    with unfettered power. Now it seems to me that some of his supporters
    would prefer that Donald Trump become a dictator rather than a president
    whose power was constrained by the Congress and the Supreme Court.

    So which of Donald Trump's supporters here (I know that he has at least
    several fanatical supporters) would prefer that Donald Trump become a dictator?

    If that happened, then I expect that Donald Trump would enjoy one perk of his power.
    As dictator of Italy, Mussolini took advantage of his power to enjoy forcing
    himself upon women. Reportedly, he slept with hundreds, if not thousands,
    of Italian women who visited his office. Most of these encounters may
    have been consensual. For a long time, Mussolini was a popular leader,
    who cultivated an image of rugged virility. There were many adoring
    Italian women who were eager to give themselves to their great leader.

    On one occasion, however, a naïve attractive young woman was hired
    to paint a portrait of Mussolini. He quickly threw her down to the floor,
    raised her skirt, raped and impregnated her. Staggering out of his office,
    what could she do? She could not dare accuse Mussolini of raping her.
    Months later, she said that she had emerged from the experience with
    a baby (abortion was illegal) rather than a painting. I don't know for certain
    what happened to her, but, given the circumstances, I suspect that she
    may have tried to make the best of the situation and kept her baby,
    despite the stigma of being an unwed mother. It's a matter of conjecture
    what, if anything, she later told her child about Mussolini.
  2. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    28 Oct '16 23:06
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "Just thinking to myself right now, we should just cancel the election and give it to Trump."
    --Donald Trump (28 October 2016)

    Given his ignorance of and disrespect for the US Constitution, it's clear
    that if Donald Trump won the election, he would like to act as though
    the American people had chosen him to become their dictator (a new Caesar)
    with ...[text shortened]... her. It's a matter of conjecture
    what, if anything, she later told her child about Mussolini.
    What the God damn Bella Fleck do you know about the Constitution?
    If it hit you width ways on the side of your face, you'd ask 'what hit me?'
    Stick with what you know (although, seriously, it ain't much) and restrict your comments to how vile men are in the grand scheme of things.
    Then, go drink a fifth of vodka and dream of how brilliant you really are, or at minimum, should have been, given a proper chance.
  3. 28 Oct '16 23:48 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "Just thinking to myself right now, we should just cancel the election and give it to Trump."
    --Donald Trump (28 October 2016)

    Given his ignorance of and disrespect for the US Constitution, it's clear
    that if Donald Trump won the election, he would like to act as though
    the American people had chosen him to become their dictator (a new Caesar)
    with ...[text shortened]... her. It's a matter of conjecture
    what, if anything, she later told her child about Mussolini.
    I just saw It Can't Happen Here at a local reperatory theater. It outlines how the government of a people could be taken over by an autocrat posing as a populist. Scary.

    Here is Wikipedia on the novel/play:

    Quote:

    It Can't Happen Here is a semi-satirical 1935 political novel by American author Sinclair Lewis, and a 1936 play adapted from the novel by Lewis and John C. Moffitt. Published during the rise of fascism in Europe, the novel describes the rise of Berzelius "Buzz" Windrip, a populist United States Senator who is elected to the presidency after fomenting fear and promising drastic economic and social reforms while promoting a return to patriotism and "traditional" values. After his election, Windrip takes complete control of the government and imposes a plutocratic/totalitarian rule with the help of a ruthless paramilitary force, in the manner of Adolf Hitler and the SS. The novel's plot centers on journalist Doremus Jessup's opposition to the new regime and his subsequent struggle against it as part of a liberal rebellion. Reviewers at the time, and literary critics ever since, have emphasized the connection with Louisiana politician Huey Long,[1] who was preparing to run for president in the 1936 election when he was assassinated in 1935 just prior to the novel's publication.

    Here is info on the play:

    http://www.berkeleyrep.org/season/1617/10650.asp

    Written in 1935 during the rise of fascism in Europe, Sinclair Lewis’ darkly satirical It Can’t Happen Here follows the ascent of a demagogue who becomes president of the United States by promising to return the country to greatness. Witnessing the new president’s authoritarian tyranny from the sidelines is a liberal, middle-class newspaper editor from Vermont who is caught in the chaos of social upheaval. Sound familiar? Called “a message to thinking Americans” upon its publication, this eerily prescient book receives a new adaptation just in time for election season.

    Try this, too.

    http://www.berkeleyrep.org/season/1617/10650.asp#tabbed-nav=seehear
  4. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    28 Oct '16 23:57
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "Just thinking to myself right now, we should just cancel the election and give it to Trump."
    --Donald Trump (28 October 2016)

    Given his ignorance of and disrespect for the US Constitution, it's clear
    that if Donald Trump won the election, he would like to act as though
    the American people had chosen him to become their dictator (a new Caesar)
    with ...[text shortened]... her. It's a matter of conjecture
    what, if anything, she later told her child about Mussolini.
    The only reason Trump is running is because he has seen the US Constitution trampled upon. He sees the the Country falling apart and he worries for his children and grandchildren like I do.
    I am all for building the wall, deporting illegals who hate us, cleaning up the national debt, repealing obabacare, getting these appointed socialist czars out (which many have forgotten about), bringing back law and order and putting an end to BLM, and standing up to those that hate God and America.
    HC will not just keep the status quo (which is unsustainable), she will take the country farther left with the her foot pedal to the metal.
  5. 29 Oct '16 00:01
    Originally posted by JS357
    I just saw It Can't Happen Here at a local reperatory theater. It outlines how the government of a people could be taken over by an autocrat posing as a populist. Scary.

    Here is Wikipedia on the novel/play:

    Quote:

    It Can't Happen Here is a semi-satirical 1935 political novel by American author Sinclair Lewis, and a 1936 play adapted from the novel by ...[text shortened]... season.

    Try this, too.

    http://www.berkeleyrep.org/season/1617/10650.asp#tabbed-nav=seehear
    There are some neo-Fascist Americans at RHP who apparently want their hero
    Donald Trump to act as a dictator, though without the formal title of 'Supreme Leader'.
  6. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    29 Oct '16 00:15 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    The only reason Trump is running is because he has seen the US Constitution trampled upon. He sees the the Country falling apart and he worries for his children and grandchildren like I do.
    IHe sees the the Country falling apart and he worries for his children and grandchildren like I do., cleaning up the national debt, repealing obabacare, getting thes ...[text shortened]... is unsustainable), she will take the country farther left with the her foot pedal to the metal.
    The only reason Trump is running is because he has seen the US Constitution trampled upon. - By Whom?

    getting these appointed socialist czars out - May I ask, who are these socialist czars?

    He sees the the Country falling apart and he worries for his children and grandchildren like I do. - By any yardstick, the economy is a good deal better now than in 2008, so how is it falling apart?

    I am all for building the wall, deporting illegals who hate us. - How do you intend to separate those who hate us, from those who don't'? Do you read minds?

    repealing obabacare - It's called The Affordable Care Act, and it provides insurance coverage for over 20 million people. If It's repealed, what do you replace it with? The old pay or die plan?

    Bringing back law and order and putting an end to BLM - We already have law and order, and what's wrong with BLM?

    Standing up to those that hate God and America. - What exactly does this mean? It's pretty vague.

    She will take the country farther left - Why should this be a problem? The "left" seems more humane and forgiving than the so called "Christian Right"

    Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with most of your post.
  7. 29 Oct '16 04:51
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    The only reason Trump is running is because he has seen the US Constitution trampled upon. He sees the the Country falling apart and he worries for his children and grandchildren like I do.
    I am all for building the wall, deporting illegals who hate us, cleaning up the national debt, repealing obabacare, getting these appointed socialist czars out (whic ...[text shortened]... is unsustainable), she will take the country farther left with the her foot pedal to the metal.
    putting an end to BLM

    I wonder if the 'M' is redundant here? In fact, when it comes to Trump, probably the 'B' too...
  8. Subscriber Ponderable
    chemist
    29 Oct '16 07:30
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    What the God damn Bella Fleck do you know about the Constitution?
    If it hit you width ways on the side of your face, you'd ask 'what hit me?'
    Stick with what you know (although, seriously, it ain't much) and restrict your comments to how vile men are in the grand scheme of things.
    Then, go drink a fifth of vodka and dream of how brilliant you really are, or at minimum, should have been, given a proper chance.
    In fact, as a German, I am offended by Trumps approach.

    One example He says, that when he becomes president he will put Clinton into jail.

    wrong on several levels:

    * Presidents don't order people put into jails. Judges do. Dictators do.
    * Presidents don't even suport indictments. Prosecutors do. (And accept judges decisions).
  9. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    29 Oct '16 07:49
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    What the God damn Bella Fleck do you know about the Constitution?
    If it hit you width ways on the side of your face, you'd ask 'what hit me?'
    Stick with what you know (although, seriously, it ain't much) and restrict your comments to how vile men are in the grand scheme of things.
    Then, go drink a fifth of vodka and dream of how brilliant you really are, or at minimum, should have been, given a proper chance.
    And she'd really be hard pressed to find any here more vile than you.
  10. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    29 Oct '16 07:52 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    The only reason Trump is running is because he has seen the US Constitution trampled upon. He sees the the Country falling apart and he worries for his children and grandchildren like I do.
    I am all for building the wall, deporting illegals who hate us, cleaning up the national debt, repealing obabacare, getting these appointed socialist czars out (whic ...[text shortened]... is unsustainable), she will take the country farther left with the her foot pedal to the metal.
    Oh, please, the wanna-be Narcissist-in-Chief only cares about himself. If you think he cares about ANYone beyond himself, you are deluded.

    What flavor is the Kool-Aid today?

    (And btw, the country needs to go farther left. Bernie had the right idea.)

    I'd settle for a few more Eisenhower Republicans. Jason Chaffetz just creeps me out.
  11. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    29 Oct '16 07:58
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    "Just thinking to myself right now, we should just cancel the election and give it to Trump."
    --Donald Trump (28 October 2016)

    Given his ignorance of and disrespect for the US Constitution, it's clear
    that if Donald Trump won the election, he would like to act as though
    the American people had chosen him to become their dictator (a new Caesar)
    with ...[text shortened]... her. It's a matter of conjecture
    what, if anything, she later told her child about Mussolini.
    Spot on.
  12. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    29 Oct '16 11:14
    Debating with Trump supporters is a complete waste of time.

    It's like trying to convince creationists that the reason God booted Adam out of the garden of Eden was because Eve was a creationist and even God got sick of them.

    How? Pointless, everything's based on fairytales and no amount of debating is going to change the ultimate conclusion.

    The public is going to get what it deserves.
    And I'm gonna love every second of the fall of the US empire!

    Get the show rolling!
  13. 29 Oct '16 12:51
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    The only reason Trump is running is because he has seen the US Constitution trampled upon. He sees the the Country falling apart and he worries for his children and grandchildren like I do.
    I am all for building the wall, deporting illegals who hate us, cleaning up the national debt, repealing obabacare, getting these appointed socialist czars out (whic ...[text shortened]... is unsustainable), she will take the country farther left with the her foot pedal to the metal.
    What is your opinion about Trump's proposed abolition and amendment of several articles of the constitution?
  14. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    29 Oct '16 12:52
    Originally posted by Ponderable
    In fact, as a German, I am offended by Trumps approach.

    One example He says, that when he becomes president he will put Clinton into jail.

    wrong on several levels:

    * Presidents don't order people put into jails. Judges do. Dictators do.
    * Presidents don't even suport indictments. Prosecutors do. (And accept judges decisions).
    Being of German descent, living in Germany or even eating a German Chocolate cake do not make any one person's opinion better informed than anyone else's--- especially if that "anyone else" is a student of history.

    Without question, even a cursory reading of modern history will yield striking similarities between Hitler's rise to power and Trump's suddenly apparent ascendancy to POTUS.
    The distinct differences, however, are what informs us: this ain't anything at all like that.
    Not even going into the immediately impacting back story which begins in the mid-19th century or any of the world's developed nations' geopolitical strategizing which placed Hitler in power, an examination of the man as part of the social landscape of his respective country yields remarkable points.
    Both ran on a platform of returning their country back to greatness, as a world power, economically and socially.
    There are other aspects shared by both but it is in this main one that their difference is most emphatic.
    Hitler appealed to Christianity.
    Not Christian values, but to Christianity itself.
    To hear or read any of his speeches at the time, you would think you were hearing from a politicized preacher, not a potential ruler of a country.
    Trump makes no feigned appeals to Christianity, but rather appeals to all faiths for shared common ground... and then repulses all faiths with his boarish, reprehensible private behavior.

    Trump never said he would throw the crook in jail, he said he'd have a special prosecutor (read: an objective one unbeholden to threats, blackmail or any political agendas) look into her situation, as he called it.
    Just because someone views her failures and intones their belief she should be jailed doesn't mean they've abandoned basics of the rule of law.

    That is decidedly not what he is suggesting.
  15. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    29 Oct '16 15:20
    Originally posted by mchill
    The only reason Trump is running is because he has seen the US Constitution trampled upon. - By Whom?

    getting these appointed socialist czars out - May I ask, who are these socialist czars?

    He sees the the Country falling apart and he worries for his children and grandchildren like I do. - By any yardstick, the economy is a good deal better now than ...[text shortened]... he so called "Christian Right"

    Sorry, but I respectfully disagree with most of your post.
    The only reason Trump is running is because he has seen the US Constitution trampled upon. - By Whom?
    Ever heard of B.O.? How about executive order? How about when the majority of the nation did not want obamacare and it got shoved down their throat anyway?
    getting these appointed socialist czars out - May I ask, who are these socialist czars?
    Really? You don't follow politics very closely do you? Just google obama czars.
    By any yardstick, the economy is a good deal better now than in 2008, so how is it falling apart?
    I don't know what planet you live on, but the economy is propped up by lies. The national debt has doubled to 20 trillion, our borders are unprotected, obamacare cost is about to spike 25%, jobs are leaving the US at a record pace, government corruption is worse than ever.
    I am all for building the wall, deporting illegals who hate us. - How do you intend to separate those who hate us, from those who don't'? Do you read minds?
    Good that you are all for deporting illegals who hate us.
    Have you ever heard of vetting? Most are not even vetted properly and this is what Trump said, which is omitted by the media when they say he wants to ban immigration UNTIL they can be properly vetted.
    There are many here who don't want to send back illegals.
    Illegal means illegal! Let's see what happens if you illegally enter Mexico or Syria. Do you think they will give you instant welfare, housing, food, free medical and social security. And let you vote in their country to boot? You are either very naive or brain washed by cnn.
    It's called The Affordable Care Act, and it provides insurance coverage for over 20 million people. If It's repealed, what do you replace it with? The old pay or die plan?
    You mean the UNaffordable Care Act? It's been proven it is a scam and unsustainable. Health care was doing just fine before obamacare.
    Bringing back law and order and putting an end to BLM - We already have law and order, and what's wrong with BLM?
    You mean the George soro's funded terror group? What's wrong with blue lives matter? How about white lives matter? What's wrong with ALL lives matter?
    Are you about to tell me a few blacks were gunned down by police after or while committing a crime? Do you know how many white people have been shot by police after or while committing a crime? Far more! Why is only BLM reported? Because it is politically motivated to get the black vote, that's why.
    Standing up to those that hate God and America. - What exactly does this mean? It's pretty vague
    Never mind, you wouldn't understand.
    She will take the country farther left - Why should this be a problem? The "left" seems more humane and forgiving than the so called "Christian Right"
    See answer above.