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  1. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    01 Dec '15 18:26
    Originally posted by normbenign
    It is very simple. Obama Care insured the uninsurable. They benefit, while relatively healthy people pay the freight.

    It is a bit like mandatory auto insurance. Good drivers, low risk people subsidize those with awful records.
    In other words, people who are sick and don't have X amount of money should simply die so that other members of their society don't have to pay as much towards the maintenance of that society.
  2. 01 Dec '15 19:27
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    In other words, people who are sick and don't have X amount of money should simply die so that other members of their society don't have to pay as much towards the maintenance of that society.
    Don't they deserve to die with their "awful record" of getting cancer and strokes?
  3. 01 Dec '15 19:31
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Of course, Marx was proven wrong by practice. Still there are legion who believe his basic egalitarian axiom, and want to fix the rest of his pablum into a workable system, like European socialism.

    Nothing ever, will eliminate inequality, and perhaps injustice. Life has always been unjust, even prior to human's existence, and Humans are always unequal in strength and intelligence.
    What's Marx' "basic egalitarian axiom"?
  4. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    01 Dec '15 19:39
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    What's Marx' "basic egalitarian axiom"?
    I presume:

    From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
  5. 02 Dec '15 00:21
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    I presume:

    From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs.
    Well done.
  6. 02 Dec '15 22:02
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Another lie. The site says "over four in ten say it is difficult to afford their monthly premiums" in your comments you changed that to "It appears 4 in 10 respondents to the survey who say that they are having [b]more trouble paying their premiums". Obviously those two statements are not equivalent. Many of the first group couldn't get insurance at ...[text shortened]... d instrument but it is far superior to the prior system or any alternatives proposed by the GOP.[/b]
    You dolt, before Obamacare people did not have to sign up for medical coverage, or if they did, they could do whatever coverage no matter how minimal they wished.

    However, the new system demands those who did not obtain coverage or did obtain coverage but not up to the liking of Obama, are now paying more.

    So those 4 out of 10 Americans, a hell of a lot of people, feel that they have no choice and are being raped by the insurance companies with the backing of the IRS.
  7. 02 Dec '15 22:03 / 2 edits
    This is the dirty little secret about Obamacare. It is a ticking time bomb as costs will continue to destroy the Middle Class over time. Like all things, Progressives accomplish this in a Progressive fashion. The frog does not jump out of the pan if you slowly turn up the heat.

    http://news.investors.com/041613-652108-obamacare-taxes-will-hit-middle-class-over-time.htm

    When President Obama was selling his signature health care reform bill back in early 2010, he described it as the "largest middle-class tax cut for health care in history." The costs would be largely paid by taxing insurance companies "that stand to gain a lot of money and a lot of profits" and by making "sure that the wealthiest Americans pay their fair share on Medicare."

    The press at the time picked up this theme. The New York Times, for example, called ObamaCare "the federal government's biggest attack on economic inequality since inequality began rising more than three decades ago."

    But a closer examination finds that ObamaCare's three biggest taxes — a Medicare surcharge, the so-called Cadillac tax and an insurance premium fee — will increasingly hit the middle class because of how the law indexes them for inflation and medical costs.

    The single largest tax hike in ObamaCare is the one that boosts the Medicare payroll tax rate to 3.8% on family incomes over $250,000, and extends that tax to their investment earnings.

    Over the next decade, the Medicare surcharge will raise $318 billion, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.

    But these taxes, commonly described as targeting the rich, will soon hit middle-income families.

    That's because the Democrats who wrote the law did not index the income thresholds for inflation. So more and more families will end up paying these "wealthy" taxes simply because they are getting cost-of-living increases — a phenomenon known as "bracket creep."

    For example, in 20 years, families with a combined income of $155,000 in today's dollars will face those higher Medicare taxes, assuming the inflation rate is the same as it's been for the past two decades. Four decades from now, families earning as little as $83,000 in today's dollars will be paying those higher Medicare taxes.

    Looked at another way, the number of people hit by ObamaCare's Medicare surcharge will double every 16 years, according to an analysis by the Americans for Tax Reform Foundation.

    "Bracket creep will take place with the Medicare surtax, and it will quickly shift from a tax on 'the rich' (however nominally it achieves even that) to a tax on the bulk of American workers," noted the ATRF's Blake Seitz.

    Annual revenues from this tax will more than double in a de cade, hitting $45.8 billion in 2023, according to the JCT, thanks in part to this bracket creep.
  8. 02 Dec '15 22:08
    Looked at another way, the number of people hit by ObamaCare's Medicare surcharge will double every 16 years, according to an analysis by the Americans for Tax Reform Foundation.

    "Bracket creep will take place with the Medicare surtax, and it will quickly shift from a tax on 'the rich' (however nominally it achieves even that) to a tax on the bulk of American workers," noted the ATRF's Blake Seitz.

    So thanks to Obama the Middle Class should go away entirely as time goes on.

    Of course, dolts like you will go around blaming "free market" and the GOP for the destruction of the Middle Class, eh Marauder?
  9. 02 Dec '15 22:09
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    In other words, people who are sick and don't have X amount of money should simply die so that other members of their society don't have to pay as much towards the maintenance of that society.
    How much of our income should go to things like Health care before being considered oppressive?
  10. 02 Dec '15 23:25
    Repent evil doers and unbelievers!

    Soon global warming will destroy all oxygen on earth!!

    http://news.yahoo.com/doomsday-revisited-warming-deprive-us-oxygen-170353026.html
  11. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    03 Dec '15 06:11
    If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

    (2 Chronicles 7:14 KJV)

    HalleluYaH !!!
    Praise the LORD !!!
    Holy! Holy! Holy![/b]
  12. Subscriber sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    08 Dec '15 14:55 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    The Federal government has all the power. If they don't get what they want from the states then they simply withhold the monopoly money given to them from the Fed, something they now rely upon for survival.

    We now have a top down centralized government. Whatever the Prez wants he gets.
    I think you can look at Colorado if you think the Fed's own the states. They are doing a whopping good business selling marijuana and the Fed's are helpless to stop it, so your fed monolith concept is full of holes.

    And your argument about totaling Earth, even if we off every human and most of the rest of life on Earth, the Earth itself will more likely sigh a breath of relief to be rid of the monstrous human race. No more raping of our jewel of a planet in that case.

    Maybe after humans are gone and all primates extinct something better will evolve, like intelligent spiders or something like that, Octopus evolves into highly intelligent land creature with real empathy for other life forms, something humans lack completely.

    Life will recover just like it already has in the past extinction events, some of which offed 90+ % of all life on Earth, but it came back. Big time.
  13. 08 Dec '15 22:33
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    I was under the impression the world was already here. And it seems 100% certain EVERYONE believes the world is coming. But what is it coming TO?

    I think it's 50/50 if humanity is smart enough to correct its own mistakes as far as climate goes.

    One BIG problem is, in the USA at least, the majority of the republican party members in congress poo poo' ...[text shortened]... out the window as well, due to people just trying to survive, thrust back into the 15th century.
    The Republicans are aware of the ability to control of climate. The Chemtrails prove this.