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  1. 07 Oct '11 22:45
    I just heard another endorsement of American exceptionalism from a presidential candidate. This term is defined in various ways, generally around the notion that due to the USA's history and policies, etc., it is uniquely positioned to provide leadership and guidance to the world, and is deserving of having its position respected.

    What does American exceptionalism mean to you? Is the USA deserving of this respect? Are there previous examples of nations or bodies deserving of this respect? Is this attitude an idea people should support?
  2. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    08 Oct '11 00:08
    Originally posted by JS357
    I just heard another endorsement of American exceptionalism from a presidential candidate. This term is defined in various ways, generally around the notion that due to the USA's history and policies, etc., it is uniquely positioned to provide leadership and guidance to the world, and is deserving of having its position respected.

    What does American excepti ...[text shortened]... of nations or bodies deserving of this respect? Is this attitude an idea people should support?
    Exceptionalism is a term that is brought up every 2-4 years by political figures seeking public office. Every country has good and bad points, and America is no exception. Sadly, many in America think the country with the largest military machine is automatically the best. I suspect we'll be hearing more about this in the next 13 months.
  3. 08 Oct '11 17:35
    Originally posted by JS357
    I just heard another endorsement of American exceptionalism from a presidential candidate. This term is defined in various ways, generally around the notion that due to the USA's history and policies, etc., it is uniquely positioned to provide leadership and guidance to the world, and is deserving of having its position respected.

    What does American excepti ...[text shortened]... of nations or bodies deserving of this respect? Is this attitude an idea people should support?
    There is definitely a difference between America and its origins and those of even its parent nation or the rest of Europe. There seems to be a parallel movement in America to that of socialism in England during the early 20th century. Collectivism had gained a strong hold in Germany, and Russia, and was preferred in England of the 40s.

    Now it seems that America is being hornswaggled by the same propaganda and failed notions of elitists. If America is exceptional, it isn't due to military dominance, but is due to its liberty, capitalism and free markets.

    The question is whether America wants to be another copycat of European socialism, or whether it follows its exceptional history and roots.
  4. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    08 Oct '11 17:38 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by JS357
    I just heard another endorsement of American exceptionalism from a presidential candidate. This term is defined in various ways, generally around the notion that due to the USA's history and policies, etc., it is uniquely positioned to provide leadership and guidance to the world, and is deserving of having its position respected.

    What does American excepti ...[text shortened]... of nations or bodies deserving of this respect? Is this attitude an idea people should support?
    USA is a nation that is not based in ethnicity. It is a nation based on a universal (not ethnically associated religious) moral ideology. We are diverse and have celebrities of all colors. This means we can represent everybody. Blacks identify with us because of Obama and "Leeza" Rice (and Bill Cosby etc). WASPs identify with us for obvious reasons. Italians identify with us because of Giuliani. Irish identify with us because of Kennedy. Chinese can look to Amy Chua and Bruce Lee. Mexicans can identify with Carlos Mencia. We've got everybody and that gives us a unique connection to the rest of the world.
  5. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    08 Oct '11 22:15
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    USA is a nation that is not based in ethnicity. It is a nation based on a universal (not ethnically associated religious) moral ideology. We are diverse and have celebrities of all colors. This means we can represent everybody. Blacks identify with us because of Obama and "Leeza" Rice (and Bill Cosby etc). WASPs identify with us for obvious reaso ...[text shortened]... Mencia. We've got everybody and that gives us a unique connection to the rest of the world.
    Blah Blah Blah.

    American exceptionalism is neatly described in Wikipedia so we can spare ourselves arguments over the term. However, I am more interested in what people are doing when they deploy this concept in American politics.

    My personal view is that extreme nationalism is used to support a fascist agenda in politics and the American Right has more than a tendency in that direction.

    Cue to repeat that hymn to liberty while us non Americans yawn and wait for another pause.
  6. 08 Oct '11 22:41 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Blah Blah Blah.

    American exceptionalism is neatly described in Wikipedia so we can spare ourselves arguments over the term. However, I am more interested in what people are doing when they deploy this concept in American politics.

    My personal view is that extreme nationalism is used to support a fascist agenda in politics and the American Right has ...[text shortened]... .

    Cue to repeat that hymn to liberty while us non Americans yawn and wait for another pause.
    If Americans believed the grass was greener elsewhere, we are free to leave. America for all it's problems is still the #1 destination of immigrants legal and illegal, and few are leaving for greener pastures. That has to say that regardless of our politics, most Americans think their country is something special.

    And that isn't to demean any other nationalistic pride out there.
  7. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    08 Oct '11 22:51
    Originally posted by normbenign
    If Americans believed the grass was greener elsewhere, we are free to leave. America for all it's problems is still the #1 destination of immigrants legal and illegal, and few are leaving for greener pastures. That has to say that regardless of our politics, most Americans think their country is something special.

    And that isn't to demean any other nationalistic pride out there.
    Crossing the Rio Grande is a lot easier than crossing the Mediterranean.
  8. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    08 Oct '11 23:02
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Crossing the Rio Grande is a lot easier than crossing the Mediterranean.
    Most of us came over the Atlantic and Pacific.
  9. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    08 Oct '11 23:17
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Most of us came over the Atlantic and Pacific.
    Good one.
  10. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    08 Oct '11 23:19
    Originally posted by normbenign
    If Americans believed the grass was greener elsewhere, we are free to leave. America for all it's problems is still the #1 destination of immigrants legal and illegal, and few are leaving for greener pastures. That has to say that regardless of our politics, most Americans think their country is something special.

    And that isn't to demean any other nationalistic pride out there.
    There are 25 million more immigrants in Europe than there are in North America.
  11. 08 Oct '11 23:49
    Originally posted by JS357
    I just heard another endorsement of American exceptionalism from a presidential candidate. This term is defined in various ways, generally around the notion that due to the USA's history and policies, etc., it is uniquely positioned to provide leadership and guidance to the world, and is deserving of having its position respected.

    What does American excepti ...[text shortened]... of nations or bodies deserving of this respect? Is this attitude an idea people should support?
    We should all embrace exceptionalism, no matter who we are or where we are from. Exceptionalism is a choice, not a right or an inheritence.
  12. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    10 Oct '11 07:58
    Originally posted by JS357
    I just heard another endorsement of American exceptionalism from a presidential candidate. This term is defined in various ways, generally around the notion that due to the USA's history and policies, etc., it is uniquely positioned to provide leadership and guidance to the world, and is deserving of having its position respected.

    What does American excepti ...[text shortened]... of nations or bodies deserving of this respect? Is this attitude an idea people should support?
    No country is deserving of having any position above that of another.
    A country, as such, is nothing but a set of legal terms aimed at consolidating a status-quo.

    As for the USA's history and policies... the only thing deserving is the international tribunal in the Hague. And seriously, a large number of America's politicians should be dragged up to it and locked away. Starting from anybody related to the bombing of Hiroshima, all through Kissinger and right up to George W.
  13. 10 Oct '11 12:10 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    USA is a nation that is not based in ethnicity. It is a nation based on a universal (not ethnically associated religious) moral ideology. We are diverse and have celebrities of all colors. This means we can represent everybody. Blacks identify with us because of Obama and "Leeza" Rice (and Bill Cosby etc). WASPs identify with us for obvious reaso ...[text shortened]... Mencia. We've got everybody and that gives us a unique connection to the rest of the world.
    So how does that set the US apart from Canada, which is also ethnically mixed and not founded on a specific race or religion? We don't hear much talk of Canadian exceptionalism.
  14. 10 Oct '11 12:48
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Most of us came over the Atlantic and Pacific.
    I'm not so sure that that is still true, or will soon be a falsehood.
  15. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    10 Oct '11 16:18 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Teinosuke
    So how does that set the US apart from Canada, which is also ethnically mixed and not founded on a specific race or religion? We don't hear much talk of Canadian exceptionalism.
    Canada pays homage to the Queen of England as their monarch. They're not neutral ground like we are.