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    18 Feb '17 13:54
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/02/17/pope-francis-muslim-terrorism-not-exist/


    Did the Pope really say that Islamic terrorism does not exist?

    If so, does that make it true? If so, does the fact that it is a Breitbart story make it fake?
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    18 Feb '17 14:07
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/02/17/pope-francis-muslim-terrorism-not-exist/


    Did the Pope really say that Islamic terrorism does not exist?

    If so, does that make it true? If so, does the fact that it is a Breitbart story make it fake?
    I don't know, this isn't reported on the BBC website, but there is a campaign being waged against him by anti-immigrant right wing groups, so there is more risk that this is "fake news" than normal:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38995877
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    18 Feb '17 14:18
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/02/17/pope-francis-muslim-terrorism-not-exist/


    Did the Pope really say that Islamic terrorism does not exist?

    If so, does that make it true? If so, does the fact that it is a Breitbart story make it fake?
    I don't know, but in Breitbart's article it states that the pope said this in a speech to a "world meeting of populist movements", yet when you look up the actual speech it addressed to the "3rd WORLD MEETING OF POPULAR MOVEMENTS".

    Thought that was funny.
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    18 Feb '17 14:22
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2017/02/17/pope-francis-muslim-terrorism-not-exist/


    Did the Pope really say that Islamic terrorism does not exist?

    If so, does that make it true? If so, does the fact that it is a Breitbart story make it fake?
    Where you found a story does not make if fake or not fake. What makes it fake or not fake is purely a matter of whether it is true and if it isn't true, why it was created.
    If you have no easy way of determining whether it is true or why it was created then the source is a good indication. If you got it from Breitbart then there is a high probability it is fake, but no guarantee as they also spread stories that are true that fit their political agenda. In that sense they have a better record than whodey who lies about stories even when not doctoring them would still fit his politics.

    The real question is why do you care what the Pope said? Are you Catholic?
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    18 Feb '17 14:25
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    I don't know, this isn't reported on the BBC website, but there is a campaign being waged against him by anti-immigrant right wing groups, so there is more risk that this is "fake news" than normal:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38995877
    http://m.vatican.va/content/francescomobile/en/messages/pont-messages/2017/documents/papa-francesco_20170210_movimenti-popolari-modesto.html
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    18 Feb '17 14:33
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://m.vatican.va/content/francescomobile/en/messages/pont-messages/2017/documents/papa-francesco_20170210_movimenti-popolari-modesto.html
    The other is a reflection that I shared at our most recent World Meeting of Popular Movements, and I feel is important to say it again: no people is criminal and no religion is terrorist. Christian terrorism does not exist, Jewish terrorism does not exist, and Muslim terrorism does not exist. They do not exist. No people is criminal or drug-trafficking or violent. “The poor and the poorer peoples are accused of violence yet, without equal opportunities, the different forms of aggression and conflict will find a fertile terrain for growth and will eventually explode.”[7] There are fundamentalist and violent individuals in all peoples and religions—and with intolerant generalizations they become stronger because they feed on hate and xenophobia. By confronting terror with love, we work for peace.


    What's the problem with this, Eladar the philosopher?
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    18 Feb '17 15:01
    Originally posted by finnegan
    The other is a reflection that I shared at our most recent World Meeting of Popular Movements, and I feel is important to say it again: no people is criminal and no religion is terrorist. Christian terrorism does not exist, Jewish terrorism does not exist, and Muslim terrorism does not exist. They do not exist. No people is criminal or drug-trafficki ...[text shortened]... r with love, we work for peace.


    What's the problem with this, Eladar the philosopher?
    Apparently Eladar wants the Pope to back his and Breitbart's Holy War. Hopefully, Popes are out of that business.
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    18 Feb '17 15:42
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Apparently Eladar wants the Pope to back his and Breitbart's Holy War. Hopefully, Popes are out of that business.
    To speak the truth leads to a holy war.

    To lie is to be honorable.

    To ignore a statement and pretend it was never said is what it means to be mainstream media.
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    18 Feb '17 15:43
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    I don't know, this isn't reported on the BBC website, but there is a campaign being waged against him by anti-immigrant right wing groups, so there is more risk that this is "fake news" than normal:

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-38995877
    BBC is Pravda too. Your post is exhibit A.
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    18 Feb '17 15:55
    I am confused. What is the "fake news" from the pope?
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    18 Feb '17 15:561 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    I am confused. What is the "fake news" from the pope?
    There are no Muslim terrorists.
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    18 Feb '17 16:01
    Originally posted by Eladar
    There are no Muslim terrorists.
    In the context of the quote as provided by finnegan it is pretty obvious what he meant by that. How is it "fake news"?
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    18 Feb '17 16:02
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Where you found a story does not make if fake or not fake. What makes it fake or not fake is purely a matter of whether it is true and if it isn't true, why it was created.
    If you have no easy way of determining whether it is true or why it was created then the source is a good indication. If you got it from Breitbart then there is a high probability it ...[text shortened]... fit his politics.

    The real question is why do you care what the Pope said? Are you Catholic?
    Where you found a story does not make if fake or not fake.
    This is a recent development for you?
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    18 Feb '17 16:08
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    In the context of the quote as provided by finnegan it is pretty obvious what he meant by that. How is it "fake news"?
    The statement is a lie. That is enough to call him on it. He should be required to walk the statement back and state with gis own words what he meant to say.

    But it agrees with your false workdview so you like the fake propaganda statement.
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    18 Feb '17 16:13
    Originally posted by Eladar
    The statement is a lie. That is enough to call him on it. He should be required to walk the statement back and state with gis own words what he meant to say.

    But it agrees with your false workdview so you like the fake propaganda statement.
    There are fundamentalist and violent individuals in all peoples and religions—and with intolerant generalizations they become stronger because they feed on hate and xenophobia.


    The pope is saying - literally - that there are "fundamentalist and violent in all peoples and religions" including Muslims. He is not denying that some terrorists are Muslims, he simply disagrees with holding all Muslims accountable for the actions of a few and says that doing so helps those very fundamentalist and violent people.
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