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  1. 13 Apr '14 18:28
    The Constitution does not say that the Federal government is allowed to claim state land. There is mention of the Federal government having property.

    Obviously when the Constitution was written the people who agreed to it did not think that the Federal government would own sections of the nation. From my research it appears that the government owns nearly 30% of the US.

    Is there a limit to the amount of land the government can claim as its own? Should the government own land other than government buildings, military bases and the like?

    Most of the land is in the form of Federal parks, but why should the federal government have parks? Why not simply give the national parks to the states?
  2. 13 Apr '14 18:40 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    The Constitution does not say that the Federal government is allowed to claim state land. There is mention of the Federal government having property.

    Obviously when the Constitution was written the people who agreed to it did not think that the Federal government would own sections of the nation. From my research it appears that the government owns nearly ...[text shortened]... should the federal government have parks? Why not simply give the national parks to the states?
    Obviously when the Constitution was written the people who agreed to it did not think that the Federal government would own sections of the nation.


    "Federal land ownership began when the original 13 states ceded their “western”lands (between the Appalachian Mountains and the Mississippi River) to the central government between 1781 and 1802."

    http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/crsreports/crsdocuments/RL34267_12032007.pdf
  3. 13 Apr '14 18:49
    Originally posted by Eladar
    The Constitution does not say that the Federal government is allowed to claim state land. There is mention of the Federal government having property.

    Obviously when the Constitution was written the people who agreed to it did not think that the Federal government would own sections of the nation. From my research it appears that the government owns nearly ...[text shortened]... should the federal government have parks? Why not simply give the national parks to the states?
    Why would it necessarily be better to have state-owned parks rather than federal ones? Why not have county-owned parks then?
  4. Standard member Soothfast
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    13 Apr '14 19:14
    Originally posted by JS357
    Obviously when the Constitution was written the people who agreed to it did not think that the Federal government would own sections of the nation.


    "Federal land ownership began when the original 13 states ceded their “western”lands (between the Appalachian Mountains and the Mississippi River) to the central government between 1781 and 1802."

    http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/crsreports/crsdocuments/RL34267_12032007.pdf
    This is in vain. Eladar abhors thinking outside his information vacuum.
  5. 13 Apr '14 19:19
    Originally posted by JS357
    Obviously when the Constitution was written the people who agreed to it did not think that the Federal government would own sections of the nation.


    "Federal land ownership began when the original 13 states ceded their “western”lands (between the Appalachian Mountains and the Mississippi River) to the central government between 1781 and 1802."

    http://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/crsreports/crsdocuments/RL34267_12032007.pdf
    Those lands were not states.

    Did the states give up their rights to the lands given to the government by private individuals?
  6. 13 Apr '14 19:26 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Those lands were not states.

    Did the states give up their rights to the lands given to the government by private individuals?
    You must be forgetting the date of the Declaration of Independence "which announced that the thirteen American colonies, then at war with Great Britain, regarded themselves as 13 newly independent sovereign states, "

    wikipedia
  7. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    13 Apr '14 19:36
    Originally posted by Eladar
    The Constitution does not say that the Federal government is allowed to claim state land. There is mention of the Federal government having property.

    Obviously when the Constitution was written the people who agreed to it did not think that the Federal government would own sections of the nation. From my research it appears that the government owns nearly ...[text shortened]... should the federal government have parks? Why not simply give the national parks to the states?
    Actually there is a mention of the Federal government owning property in the Constitution:

    Article 4, Section 3 of the US Constitution:

    The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so construed as to Prejudice any Claims of the United States, or of any particular State.

    Obviously the People who wrote the Constitution envisioned the Federal government would own territory and property and need to make rules and regulations regarding such.
  8. 13 Apr '14 19:39
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Actually there is a mention of the Federal government owning property in the Constitution:

    Article 4, Section 3 of the US Constitution:

    The Congress shall have Power to dispose of and make all needful Rules and Regulations respecting the Territory or other Property belonging to the United States; and nothing in this Constitution shall be so constr ...[text shortened]... vernment would own territory and property and need to make rules and regulations regarding such.
    You believe that they envisioned the federal government owning parts of states?
  9. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    13 Apr '14 19:47
    Originally posted by Eladar
    You believe that they envisioned the federal government owning parts of states?
    Yes.
  10. 13 Apr '14 19:49
    Originally posted by Soothfast
    This is in vain. Eladar abhors thinking outside his information vacuum.
    Yes, but cutting his argument off at the knees is just too sweet.
  11. 13 Apr '14 19:58
    Originally posted by JS357
    You must be forgetting the date of the Declaration of Independence "which announced that the thirteen American colonies, then at war with Great Britain, regarded themselves as 13 newly independent sovereign states, "

    wikipedia
    So you are trying to argue that the 13 states were not concerned about keeping power at the state level?
  12. 13 Apr '14 20:05
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Yes.
    How much land is the federal government allowed to own?
  13. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    13 Apr '14 20:20
    Originally posted by Eladar
    How much land is the federal government allowed to own?
    What are the limits in the Constitution?
  14. 13 Apr '14 20:27
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    What are the limits in the Constitution?
    I asked you a direct question. Do you believe there is a limit?
  15. 13 Apr '14 20:29
    Originally posted by Eladar
    So you are trying to argue that the 13 states were not concerned about keeping power at the state level?
    No.