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    29 Mar '17 14:53
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/03/29/felony-charges-planned-parenthood-film/99767988/

    Looks like if anyone wants to go under cover to expose what goes on in Planned Parenthood will face felony charges from here on out.
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    29 Mar '17 15:022 edits
    White Power! This is why PP was created in the first place by Margaret Sanger

    "We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with
    social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most
    successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal.
    We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro
    population, and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if
    it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."
    -- Margaret Sanger's December 19, 1939 letter to Dr. Clarence Gamble, 255
    Adams Street, Milton, Massachusetts. Original source: Sophia Smith
    Collection, Smith College, North Hampton, Massachusetts. Also described in
    Linda Gordon's Woman's Body, Woman's Right: A Social History of Birth
    Control in America . New York: Grossman Publishers, 1976.

    Oh dear, will I face felony charges now?
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    29 Mar '17 15:28
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/03/29/felony-charges-planned-parenthood-film/99767988/

    Looks like if anyone wants to go under cover to expose what goes on in Planned Parenthood will face felony charges from here on out.
    Invasion of privacy to record a conversation without permission: 14 incidents, 14 counts. Conspiracy to do so: 1 count. Would you eliminate this protection? On what basis?
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    29 Mar '17 15:37
    Originally posted by whodey
    Oh dear, will I face felony charges now?
    Why, were you filming someone without their permission?
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    29 Mar '17 15:39
    Originally posted by whodey
    Looks like if anyone wants to go under cover to expose what goes on in Planned Parenthood will face felony charges from here on out.
    I don't think it is precedent setting law, so no, it's not so much 'from here on out', but it has always been the case that you can face felony charges if your film someone without their permission.
  6. Cape Town
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    29 Mar '17 15:40
    Originally posted by JS357
    Invasion of privacy to record a conversation without permission: 14 incidents, 14 counts. Conspiracy to do so: 1 count. Would you eliminate this protection? On what basis?
    Well Trump sure thinks his privacy was invaded when Obama snuck into Trump tower and tapped on his phones. 🙂
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    29 Mar '17 20:04
    Originally posted by JS357
    Invasion of privacy to record a conversation without permission: 14 incidents, 14 counts. Conspiracy to do so: 1 count. Would you eliminate this protection? On what basis?
    if I remember right, that owner of an NBA team was recorded on the phone saying racist things without his permission.

    What is the difference I wonder?
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    29 Mar '17 20:04
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Well Trump sure thinks his privacy was invaded when Obama snuck into Trump tower and tapped on his phones. 🙂
    The NSA listens in on everyone. Nothing is private for them, but that's OK cuz they the law.
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    29 Mar '17 20:13
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Well Trump sure thinks his privacy was invaded when Obama snuck into Trump tower and tapped on his phones. 🙂
    Trump is withholding his "source" of this claim, which seems to be a dereliction of duty to withhold it from his own intelligence departments, unless the source is his butt.
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    29 Mar '17 20:49
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/03/29/felony-charges-planned-parenthood-film/99767988/

    Looks like if anyone wants to go under cover to expose what goes on in Planned Parenthood will face felony charges from here on out.
    Is "invading the privacy of medical providers" really a crime? There's no patient or personal medical records to speak, no HIPAA violation to speak of. There's no breach of doctor-patient confidentiality either.

    I did a quick search on the topic, and couldn't find if merely revealing the practices of medical providers is crime. If it is, then there's no further discussion as far the validity of the charges. But...what about investigative journalism? Would the press be prohibited from secretly recording private medical practices if it they believed something was going on? What about law enforcement?

    Hypothetically, if PP was actually caught doing something illegal, would the people recording the video still be able to be prosecuted?
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    29 Mar '17 21:131 edit
    http://www.lifenews.com/2017/03/29/attorney-general-who-charged-david-daleiden-with-15-felonies-received-thousands-from-planned-parenthood/

    The Attorney General in California has charged pro-life activist David Daleiden with 15 felonies for his investigative work exposing the Planned Parenthood abortion business and its sales of aborted baby parts.

    Not surprisingly, California Attorney General Xavier Becerra has received thousands of dollars in campaign contributions from the Planned Parenthood abortion company.

    As LifeNews.com reported today, Becerra slammed pro-life undercover investigator David Daleiden with 15 felony charges on Tuesday, claiming he illegally recorded Planned Parenthood abortion workers and groups that distribute aborted babies’ body parts.

    Becerra, a Democrat, announced the charges Tuesday against Daleiden and Sandra Merritt of the Center for Medical Progress. Daleiden and CMP fired back with a new video exposing Planned Parenthood.

    California requires that both parties consent to be recorded. Becerra alleges that Daleiden and Merritt broke the law by filming their conversations with abortionists and others without their consent, according to the report.

    But reports from the center for responsive politics show Planned Parenthood has been a long time contributor to Becerra’s campaigns.

    The Planned Parenthood abortion business gave Becerra $1,000 in 2014, $2,000 in 2012, $500 in 2004, $1,000 in 2002, and $1,035 in 1998.


    When pro-abortion Governor Jerry Brown name Becerra to the Attorney General post, the Planned Parenthood abortion company was delighted.



    Statement from Cecile Richards, President of Planned Parenthood Federation of America:

    “Planned Parenthood Federation of America applauds Gov. Brown’s appointment of Rep. Xavier Becerra as California’s Attorney General. Rep. Becerra is a long-time champion for women’s reproductive rights and health. As a former California Deputy Attorney General, he understands the importance of a woman’s right to access the full range of health care, including safe, legal abortion. At a time when reproductive health is gravely under attack in states across the country, we need leaders like Rep. Becerra to be responsible stewards of the law and protect the rights of millions of Americans, including the 850,000 California women, men and families that Planned Parenthood serves every year.

    “The public knows the real criminals are Planned Parenthood and their business partners,” Daleiden’s group said in a statement. “We look forward to showing the entire world what is on our yet-unreleased videotapes of Planned Parenthood’s criminal baby body parts enterprise, in vindication of the First Amendment rights of all.”

    In 2016, Daleiden and Merritt were indicted by a tainted grand jury on similar charges, which were later dismissed after evidence surfaced that the Harris County District Attorney’s office had colluded with Planned Parenthood for political reasons to turn the grand jury against the pro-life activists.

    “Just as corruption was involved in the last attempt to falsely charge David Daleiden and Sandra Merritt, I predict that corruption is at the heart of these California charges as well. It is despicable that the California Attorney General charged innocent whistleblowers with felonies instead of the career criminals at Planned Parenthood. This is the ultimate abuse of power and tyranny. The Planned Parenthood butchers have committed tens of thousands of felonies by illegally selling baby’s body parts for profit,” said Troy Newman, President of Operation Rescue who also served as a founding member of the board for the Center for Medical Progress.

    Newman was not mentioned in the charging documents.

    Newman told LifeNews.com he believes that the California charges are in retaliation to criminal referrals of several Planned Parenthood organizations to the U.S. Department of Justice by the Senate Judiciary Committee and the House Select Investigative Panel on Infant Lives.

    “We call on U.S. Attorney General Jeff Sessions to aggressively prosecute Planned Parenthood and their partners in the illegal aborted baby parts trade,” said Cheryl Sullenger, Senior Vice President of Operation Rescue. “We ask that Attorney General Sessions resist any intimidation by California authorities who are simply acting as Democratic operatives on a political agenda to thwart any prosecution of Planned Parenthood.”
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    29 Mar '17 21:172 edits
    Originally posted by vivify
    Is "invading the privacy of medical providers" really a crime? There's no patient or personal medical records to speak, no HIPAA violation to speak of. There's no breach of doctor-patient confidentiality either.

    I did a quick search on the topic, and couldn't find if merely revealing the practices of medical providers is crime. If it is, then there's no ...[text shortened]... ht doing something illegal, would the people recording the video still be able to be prosecuted?
    If it were anyone else being secretly recorded, it probably would be legal.

    But as we all know, the main function of the law is to protect the powers that be.

    Prohibiting abortion in any form or hindering the cause in any way is an unwritten felony in the world of PC today.

    No journalist would touch this story with a 10 foot pole, unless they want to get destroyed as well.
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    29 Mar '17 21:35
    Originally posted by whodey
    If it were anyone else being secretly recorded, it probably would be legal.

    But as we all know, the main function of the law is to protect the powers that be.

    Prohibiting abortion in any form or hindering the cause in any way is an unwritten felony in the world of PC today.

    No journalist would touch this story with a 10 foot pole, unless they want to get destroyed as well.
    The charges are about medical privacy, not abortion.
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    29 Mar '17 22:231 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    The charges are about medical privacy, not abortion.
    Whose medical privacy was violated?
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    29 Mar '17 22:57
    Originally posted by whodey
    Whose medical privacy was violated?
    That's what I asked already. Still doesn't change what the case is about, which, according to your article, is medical privacy.
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