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  1. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    19 Aug '14 06:29
    The festivities in Ferguson, MO, and the media's reaction to the events there have been decidedly favorable and sympathetic to the "protesters" (some people would call them looters, but to-may-to, to-mah-to). Suddenly, we hear (rightful, in my opinion) calls for the demilitarization of police forces. We have CNN "reporters" doing live stand-ups in front of the house of the police officer who shot this common thug in self-defense. CNn even broadcast his home address, thus endangering not only him, but his family, friends, and neighbors - by daring the rioters to bring the violence to the police officer's street.

    In short, every national broadcast network has suddenly become anti-government.

    Contrast this coverage with the coverage of the Bundy Ranch standoff with the Bureau of Land Management. Citizens assembled peacefully against government aggression. These people who stood ready to resist government overreach were widely derided in the media as "right-wing nut jobs", "extremists", "domestic terrorists", and worse.

    That coverage was very pro-government.

    The rioters in Ferguson have destroyed property, have caused economic disruption in the area, have sought to create anarchy.

    The Bundy Ranch protesters were defending private property from government overreach by exercising their constitutional rights to bear arms and freely assemble.

    So. We have the media sympathetic to people resisting government on the one hand, and very pro-government and anti-liberty when another group of people prevents government overreach. What's the difference?

    Could it be that liberals are race-baiting scum? Is there another explanation?
  2. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    19 Aug '14 09:22
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    The festivities in Ferguson, MO, and the media's reaction to the events there have been decidedly favorable and sympathetic to the "protesters" (some people would call them looters, but to-may-to, to-mah-to). Suddenly, we hear (rightful, in my opinion) calls for the demilitarization of police forces. We have CNN "reporters" doing live stand-ups in fro ...[text shortened]... e difference?

    Could it be that liberals are race-baiting scum? Is there another explanation?
    I have read your post a few times and I think it could be that CNN are race baiting scum.
  3. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    19 Aug '14 09:36
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    The festivities in Ferguson, MO, and the media's reaction to the events there have been decidedly favorable and sympathetic to the "protesters" (some people would call them looters, but to-may-to, to-mah-to). Suddenly, we hear (rightful, in my opinion) calls for the demilitarization of police forces. We have CNN "reporters" doing live stand-ups in fro ...[text shortened]... e difference?

    Could it be that liberals are race-baiting scum? Is there another explanation?
    How does one shoot an unarmed person in self-defense?
  4. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    19 Aug '14 09:45 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by kmax87
    How does one shoot an unarmed person in self-defense?
    6 feet 290 pounds running towards you after already having struck you and grappled with your gun. What would you do? Oh right shoot him in the toe to disable him

    It's early days everyone including the protestors and you need to just give it some time.
  5. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    19 Aug '14 09:54
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    6 feet 290 pounds running towards you after already having struck you and grappled with your gun. What would you do? Oh right shoot him in the toe to disable him

    It's early days everyone including the protestors and you need to just give it some time.
    Something the British police deal with every day. As they do not point guns at unarmed citizens, their guns do not get grabbed. Is it possible this 6' citizen grabbed a gun (assuming he did) because he was afraid it was about to shoot him? Is it possible he was right?
  6. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    19 Aug '14 09:57
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Something the British police deal with every day. As they do not point guns at unarmed citizens, their guns do not get grabbed. Is it possible this 6' citizen grabbed a gun (assuming he did) because he was afraid it was about to shoot him? Is it possible he was right?
    A million different scenarios possible, you arm chair commandos should just wait for the evidence.
  7. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    19 Aug '14 11:19
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    6 feet 290 pounds running towards you after already having struck you and grappled with your gun. What would you do? Oh right shoot him in the toe to disable him

    It's early days everyone including the protestors and you need to just give it some time.
    If you accept the police version of events. Even if he did charge at the police officer, what he could get off two head shots, but could'nt find his legs? And for what offence? At the time of the shooting, Browns earlier activity was not known. Shoot to kill because someone was walking down the middle of the road?
  8. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    19 Aug '14 11:26
    Originally posted by kmax87
    If you accept the police version of events. Even if he did charge at the police officer, what he could get off two head shots, but could'nt find his legs? And for what offence? At the time of the shooting, Browns earlier activity was not known. Shoot to kill because someone was walking down the middle of the road?
    I wont get involved in speculation.

    A couple of facts that have come to light so far, he was shot from the front, not as reported by some witnesses. 6 shots, out of the 6 shots one was fatal.

    I take back what I said about waiting for the evidence, you blokes should go for it, go to town, conspiracy theories, racism theories, execution theories, jumping to conclusions, probably the only exercise finnegan gets, go for your lives, whip up the frenzy, might help influence some riots, might give some impetus for some thug to do something to the officer, have fun.
  9. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    19 Aug '14 11:40
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    I wont get involved in speculation.

    A couple of facts that have come to light so far, he was shot from the front, not as reported by some witnesses. 6 shots, out of the 6 shots one was fatal.

    I take back what I said about waiting for the evidence, you blokes should go for it, go to town, conspiracy theories, racism theories, execution theories, jumping ...[text shortened]... ence some riots, might give some impetus for some thug to do something to the officer, have fun.
    Nicely ducked and weaved. Answer the question. Why is the only solution, shoot to kill?
  10. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    19 Aug '14 11:45
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Nicely ducked and weaved. Answer the question. Why is the only solution, shoot to kill?
    I don't know that he did shoot to kill. Do you?
  11. 19 Aug '14 11:54 / 1 edit
    This is the response on the left.

    http://www.teaparty.org/congressman-wants-obama-suspend-ordinary-laws-ferguson-51574/

    Congressman John Lewis wants Obama to declare Marshall law and federalize the National Guard.

    Maybe drones can manage the riots.
  12. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    19 Aug '14 11:55
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    I don't know that he did shoot to kill. Do you?
    Crap policing, in a context where the life of a black youth means nothing.
  13. 19 Aug '14 11:56
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Crap policing, in a context where the life of a black youth means nothing.
    Now you are getting it, just like a ranch owner in Nevada means nothing.
  14. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    19 Aug '14 12:01
    Originally posted by whodey
    Now you are getting it, just like a ranch owner in Nevada means nothing.
    So they shot Bundy did they?
  15. 19 Aug '14 12:02 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by kmax87
    So they shot Bundy did they?
    Had he not had a small army around him, they very well may have.

    I don't see people like you getting up in arms over Obama killing people with drones.