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  1. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    30 Jan '18 18:154 edits
    Originally posted by @phranny
    Judaism is a religion. There are Jews throughout the globe. It is not a race. Regardless of race or ethnicity, you can be Jewish. Duchess is correct.
    False. Jews are Semitic people who originate in Judea. Judaism does not define Jews anymore than Anglicanism defines the English.

    Was Einstein a Jew? He was not religious.

    Hinduism does not define Indians. Roman Catholicism AKA the Latin Church does not define the descendants of Romans AKA Latinos. The Russian Orthodox Church does not define Russians. Etc.
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    31 Jan '18 01:09
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    You do know that Tay-Sachs disease is not restricted to Jews, don’t you?

    Seriously.
    Before making ludricous statements like that, do a bit of fact checking.

    It’s passed along if both parents are carriers at a rate of 25%. It’s a non-dominant gene.

    This means that close knit communities are more likely to have it.

    I believe they have it in Que ...[text shortened]... le it to be sure though) and in French communities outside of France.
    But not in France itself.
    It is worth noting, though, that this is something that is of great interest to Ashkenazim and it does indeed indicate that there is a lot of genetic similarities among the Ahskenazim:

    Since carrier testing for Tay–Sachs began in 1971, millions of Ashkenazi Jews have been screened as carriers. Jewish communities embraced the cause of genetic screening from the 1970s on. The success with Tay–Sachs disease has led Israel to become the first country that offers free genetic screening and counseling for all couples and opened discussions about the proper scope of genetic testing for other disorders in Israel.[48]

    Because Tay–Sachs disease was one of the first autosomal recessive genetic disorders for which there was an enzyme assay test (prior to polymerase chain reaction testing methods), it was intensely studied as a model for all such diseases, and researchers sought evidence of a selective process. A continuing controversy is whether heterozygotes (carriers) have or had a selective advantage. The presence of four different lysosomal storage disorders in the Ashkenazi Jewish population suggests a past selective advantage for heterozygous carriers of these conditions."[39]


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tay%E2%80%93Sachs_disease#Society_and_culture[
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    31 Jan '18 02:07
    Originally posted by @mchill
    I knew Bobby Fischer disliked the Jews, but after watching a few youtube clips on this, I was shocked at how much. As near as I can tell Bobby Fischer's mother was a Jewish lady, so what can we conclude?
    ... that Fischer had a tenuous grasp of what lies beyond the chessboard.
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    31 Jan '18 10:21
    Originally posted by @moonbus
    ... that Fischer had a tenuous grasp of what lies beyond the chessboard.
    Nor was this limited to questions of race.
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    31 Jan '18 15:327 edits
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    False. Jews are Semitic people who originate in Judea. Judaism does not define Jews anymore than Anglicanism defines the English.

    Was Einstein a Jew? He was not religious.

    Hinduism does not define Indians. Roman Catholicism AKA the Latin Church does not define the descendants of Romans AKA Latinos. The Russian Orthodox Church does not define Russians. Etc.
    Correct. That's actually biblical also. Technically, the Jewish religion is not a blood line; it is a religion. If being Jewish was by blood line, then Jesus was not a full-blooded Jew; nor was his mother Mary. However, when you say: Judaism does not define Jews That is incorrect; as Judaism is the Jewish religion and being Jewish.
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    31 Jan '18 20:061 edit
    Originally posted by @kingdavid403
    Correct. That's actually biblical also. Technically, the Jewish religion is not a blood line; it is a religion. If being Jewish was by blood line, then Jesus was not a full-blooded Jew; nor was his mother Mary. However, when you say: [b]Judaism does not define Jews That is incorrect; as Judaism is the Jewish religion and being Jewish.[/b]
    wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism

    Jewish atheism refers to the atheism of people who are ethnically and (at least to some extent) culturally Jewish. Because Jewish identity encompasses ethnic as well as religious components, the term "Jewish atheism" does not inherently entail a contradiction.


    wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilineality_in_Judaism

    Matrilineality in Judaism or matrilineal descent in Judaism is the tracing of Jewish descent through the maternal line. Virtually all Jewish communities have followed matrilineal descent from at least early Tannaitic (c. 10-70 CE) times to Modern times.


    Please explain how this is possible if the Jewish religion defines Jewishness.
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    31 Jan '18 20:17
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism

    Jewish atheism refers to the atheism of people who are ethnically and (at least to some extent) culturally Jewish. Because Jewish identity encompasses ethnic as well as religious components, the term "Jewish atheism" does not inherently entail a contradiction.


    wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilinea ...[text shortened]... times.


    Please explain how this is possible if the Jewish religion defines Jewishness.
    From what I read, Bobby thought his mom was Jewish but dad was not. From what I heard, it was shown his dad was also Jewish so he was Jewish on both sides, and he did not accept Judaism but genetically he was Jewish.
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    31 Jan '18 20:445 edits
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_atheism

    Jewish atheism refers to the atheism of people who are ethnically and (at least to some extent) culturally Jewish. Because Jewish identity encompasses ethnic as well as religious components, the term "Jewish atheism" does not inherently entail a contradiction.


    wikipedia.org/wiki/Matrilinea ...[text shortened]... times.


    Please explain how this is possible if the Jewish religion defines Jewishness.
    Wikipedia is NOT an academic or reliable source.
    Websters Dictionary: Definition of Judaism
    1 : a religion developed among the ancient Hebrews and characterized by belief in one transcendent God who has revealed himself to Abraham, Moses, and the Hebrew prophets and by a religious life in accordance with Scriptures and rabbinic traditions
    2 : the cultural, social, and religious beliefs and practices of the Jews
    3 : conformity to Jewish rites, ceremonies, and practices
    4 : the whole body of Jews : the Jewish people
    There were some people in the Bible who became Jews but did not come from the Jewish blood-line so to speak. Such as Rahab the prostitute and her family from Jericho. Rahab was in the direct blood-line of the fleshly blood-line of Jesus.

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    judaism
    Ju·da·ism
    ˈjo͞odāˌizəm,ˈjo͞odēˌizəm/Submit
    noun
    the monotheistic religion of the Jews.
    the Jews collectively.
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    31 Jan '18 21:07
    Originally posted by @kingdavid403
    Wikipedia is NOT an academic or reliable source.
    Websters Dictionary: Definition of Judaism
    1 : a religion developed among the ancient Hebrews and characterized by belief in one transcendent God who has revealed himself to Abraham, Moses, and the Hebrew prophets and by a religious life in accordance with Scriptures and rabbinic traditions
    2 : the cu ...[text shortened]... āˌizəm,ˈjo͞odēˌizəm/Submit
    noun
    the monotheistic religion of the Jews.
    the Jews collectively.
    Again you're confusing (intentionally?) Judaism, Jewishness, Zionism and Israeli citizenship. You're proving yourself as anti-Semite as Fischer.
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    31 Jan '18 21:162 edits
    Originally posted by @shallow-blue
    Again you're confusing (intentionally?) Judaism, Jewishness, Zionism and Israeli citizenship. You're proving yourself as anti-Semite as Fischer.
    lol, I am not anti Semite at all. Just stating facts according to Gods Holy Word the Bible. 🙂 Confusing? Maybe a little. Judaism is following the Jewish religion.
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    31 Jan '18 21:19
    Originally posted by @kingdavid403
    Wikipedia is NOT an academic or reliable source.
    Websters Dictionary: Definition of Judaism
    1 : a religion developed among the ancient Hebrews and characterized by belief in one transcendent God who has revealed himself to Abraham, Moses, and the Hebrew prophets and by a religious life in accordance with Scriptures and rabbinic traditions
    2 : the cu ...[text shortened]... āˌizəm,ˈjo͞odēˌizəm/Submit
    noun
    the monotheistic religion of the Jews.
    the Jews collectively.
    http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/whoisjew.htm

    A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion in full compliance with Jewish law.
    It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who believes everything that Orthodox Jews believe and observes every law and custom of the Jews is still a non-Jew, even in the eyes of the most liberal movements of Judaism, and a person born to a Jewish mother who is an atheist and never practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox.
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    31 Jan '18 21:22
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    http://www.mechon-mamre.org/jewfaq/whoisjew.htm

    A Jew is any person whose mother was a Jew or any person who has gone through the formal process of conversion in full compliance with Jewish law.
    It is important to note that being a Jew has nothing to do with what you believe or what you do. A person born to non-Jewish parents who believes ...[text shortened]... er practices the Jewish religion is still a Jew, even in the eyes of the ultra-Orthodox.
    Not according to the Bible.
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    31 Jan '18 21:261 edit
    Originally posted by @kingdavid403
    Not according to the Bible.
    Specifics please.

    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/sitchinbooks03_03a.htm

    From Genesis 10:

    Shem
    Also Sem. Literal meanings are named or renown (father of the Semitic races - Shemites). The sons of Shem were:
    (1) Elam "eternity" (sons were Shushan, Machul and Harmon) - (Elamites, Persians);

    (2) Asshur "a step" or "strong" (sons were Mirus and Mokil) - (Assyrians/Northern Iraqis);

    (3) Arphaxad "I shall fail" (sons were Shelach, Anar and Ashcol) - (Chaldeans/Southern Iraqis, Hebrews/Israelis/Jews1, Arabians/Bedouins, Moabites/Jordanians/Palestinians, and related groups);

    (4) Lud "strife" (sons were Pethor and Bizayon) - (Ludim, Lubim, Ludians, Ludu, Lydians, Chubs, other related groups in Asia Minor and North Africa);

    (5) Aram "exalted" (sons were Uz, Chul, Gather and Mash) - (Aramaeans/Syrians, Lebanese, other related groups), and remnant groups throughout Asia, the Middle East, and North Africa.

    1 Hebrews descended from Eber (Heber), a great-grandsons of Shem. Both Sunnite Arabs and Jews are Semites and Hebrews. Six generations after Heber, Abram (Abraham) was born, so Abraham was both a Hebrew and a Semite, born of the line of Heber and Shem. Ishmael and Isaac were born of Abraham. Sunnite Arabs (specifically Arabian Muslims) consider themselves to be descendants of Ishmael, often calling themselves Ishmaelites, and thus are both Semitic and Hebrews. Isaac had twin sons named Esau and Jacob. Esau was firstborn, and thus had the right to inheritance (as was custom), but instead sold his birthright to Jacob during a time of hunger. Esau's name was changed to Edom, and Jacob's name was changed to Israel.

    The descendants of Esau (Edom) became known as Edomites, and the descendants of Jacob (Israel) became known as Israelites. Jacob fathered 12 sons which became the twelve tribes of Israel. Those who interchange the words "Jew" and Israelite, call Abraham a Jew, though Abraham was not an Israelite or a Jew. The word "Jew" is not used in the Bible until nearly 1,000 years after Abraham. One of Jacob's (Israel's) children was Judah (Hebrew "Yehudah" ). His descendants were called Yehudim ("Judahites" ). In Greek the name is Ioudaioi ("Judeans" ). Most all Bible translations use the word "Jew," which is a modern, shortened form of the word "Judahite." A "Jew" in the Old Testament would be a "Judahite;" and a "Jew" in the New Testament would be a "Judean."
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    31 Jan '18 21:482 edits
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    Specifics please.

    https://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sitchin/sitchinbooks03_03a.htm

    From Genesis 10:

    Shem
    Also Sem. Literal meanings are named or renown (father of the Semitic races - Shemites). The sons of Shem were:
    (1) Elam "eternity" (sons were Shushan, Machul and Harmon) - (Elamites, Persians);

    (2) Asshur "a step" or "stro ...[text shortened]... d Testament would be a "Judahite;" and a "Jew" in the New Testament would be a "Judean."
    So you're saying here that all Arabs are Jewish? I beg to differ. Ask Mohammad if he was Jewish? lol
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    31 Jan '18 21:51
    Originally posted by @kingdavid403
    So you're saying here that all Arabs are Jewish? I beg to differ. Ash Mohammad that? lol
    Where did I say that?
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