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  1. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    31 Jan '18 21:53
    Perhaps you misunderstand my quoted source:

    Hebrews descended from Eber (Heber), a great-grandsons of Shem. Both Sunnite Arabs and Jews are Semites and Hebrews. Six generations after Heber, Abram (Abraham) was born, so Abraham was both a Hebrew and a Semite, born of the line of Heber and Shem. Ishmael and Isaac were born of Abraham. Sunnite Arabs (specifically Arabian Muslims) consider themselves to be descendants of Ishmael, often calling themselves Ishmaelites, and thus are both Semitic and Hebrews. Isaac had twin sons named Esau and Jacob. Esau was firstborn, and thus had the right to inheritance (as was custom), but instead sold his birthright to Jacob during a time of hunger. Esau's name was changed to Edom, and Jacob's name was changed to Israel.

    The descendants of Esau (Edom) became known as Edomites, and the descendants of Jacob (Israel) became known as Israelites. Jacob fathered 12 sons which became the twelve tribes of Israel. Those who interchange the words "Jew" and Israelite, call Abraham a Jew, though Abraham was not an Israelite or a Jew. The word "Jew" is not used in the Bible until nearly 1,000 years after Abraham. One of Jacob's (Israel's) children was Judah (Hebrew "Yehudah" ). His descendants were called Yehudim ("Judahites" ). In Greek the name is Ioudaioi ("Judeans" ). Most all Bible translations use the word "Jew," which is a modern, shortened form of the word "Judahite." A "Jew" in the Old Testament would be a "Judahite;" and a "Jew" in the New Testament would be a "Judean."


    That source does not say Arabs are Jews.
  2. SubscriberKingDavid403
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    31 Jan '18 21:56
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    Where did I say that?
    No point in arguing. Rahab was not in the supposed Jewish bloodline and yet she became Jewish and was in the physical bloodline of Jesus and the bloodline of many Jewish Prophetesses. Simple as that. You are about 98% correct. However, there were exceptions.
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    31 Jan '18 22:00
    Originally posted by @kingdavid403
    No point in arguing. Rahab was not in the supposed Jewish bloodline and yet she became Jewish and was in the physical bloodline of Jesus and the bloodline of many Jewish Prophetesses. Simple as that. You are about 98% correct. However, there were exceptions.
    Nobody is pure to that extent. You don't have to have 100% of your ancestors be Jewish by blood to be a Jew. The same is true of any ethnic group.
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    31 Jan '18 22:021 edit
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    Nobody is pure to that extent. You don't have to have 100% of your ancestors be Jewish by blood to be a Jew. The same is true of any ethnic group.
    Yes I agree. Just to show you my point; Were the Samaritans Jewish? By blood they were half Jewish. Does this make them Jewish even tho they were enemies of the Jews?
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    31 Jan '18 23:17
    Samaritans were from Samaria, not Judea, so no, not Jews.
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    31 Jan '18 23:27
    They were half Jews by blood.
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    31 Jan '18 23:38
    Originally posted by @kingdavid403
    They were half Jews by blood.
    Israelites, not Jews.
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    01 Feb '18 02:012 edits
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    Israelites, not Jews.
    LOL. yeah okay. 🙄 They were half Jewish by blood-line. You make my point perfectly clear. Being Jewish is by religion; not by blood line.
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    01 Feb '18 04:21
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    Israelites, not Jews.
    Jews weren’t called Jews until they were carted off to Babylon in 550BC anyways.
    They referred to themselves as Hebrews.
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    01 Feb '18 08:30
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    Jews weren’t called Jews until they were carted off to Babylon in 550BC anyways.
    They referred to themselves as Hebrews.
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    01 Feb '18 16:53
    Originally posted by @shallow-blue
    Nor was this limited to questions of race.
    Agreed. Fischer, in his prime, was in a class by himself as chess player, but he was not a well-educated or well-rounded person.
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    01 Feb '18 17:181 edit
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    Jews weren’t called Jews until they were carted off to Babylon in 550BC anyways.
    They referred to themselves as Hebrews.
    Jew is a a contraction of the word Judah, who was Jacob's fourth son and the appointed leader of his brothers. The tribe of Judah was the source of the Israelite monarchy from David forward.
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