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  1. 26 Jul '13 01:10
    This isn't a hateful post, so relax. I am going to make several confessions in the interest of hearing your opinions on them. I am honestly interested in what you have to say and not at all interested in making fun of you. Here goes, some of these may surprise you.

    I am the dreaded white American male, age 33 my real name is Justin and I have a juvenile sense of humor (hence the screen name)
    I have 3 children, 2 of them are also white American males (age 7 and 5) while the 3rd is a little girl (aged 18 months)
    I worked as a machinist for 5 years
    For the last 7 years my job has been the homemaker, I cook clean and take care of the kids
    I listen to and support National Public Radio
    I believe racism and sexism are alive and well in America today.
    My wife has an MBA and her CPA license and makes 3 times the money I could have made working
    ^This does not bother me
    I have an uncle and two cousins who are out of the closet.
    This uncle frequently babysits my kids and is easily my favorite relative
    I used to introduce his life partner (who isn't blood) as my uncle before they split.
    I'm a middle child, in between two sisters
    Go on, if you're interested, ask me anything. If you want, I'll tell you all about my political leanings (generally libertarian) or my grandfather fondly reminiscing about lynching black folks. We'll do this in the interest of education. Also, I'd be interested to hear all about you.
  2. 26 Jul '13 02:33 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by dryhump
    This isn't a hateful post, so relax. I am going to make several confessions in the interest of hearing your opinions on them. I am honestly interested in what you have to say and not at all interested in making fun of you. Here goes, some of these may surprise you.

    I am the dreaded white American male, age 33 my real name is Justin and I have a juvenil 'll do this in the interest of education. Also, I'd be interested to hear all about you.
    "I am the dreaded white American male..."
    --Dryhump

    'Dreaded' by whom? White American men seemed more afraid of competing
    against me academically than I was of them. On the other hand, most
    white American men probably would be better at some things than I am.
    I don't have a problem with acknowledging my comparative weaknesses.
    Unlike some other writers here, I don't pretend to be a 'tough guy' (or girl),
    who's practically invincible in action or invulnerable to doubt and fear.

    I was moved when a friend freely revealed that he was very afraid of being
    conscripted into the Russian Army. He said that. as a member of the
    'intelligentsia' (which has Russian cultural connotations hard to explain to
    Westerners), he knew that he was not tough enough to survive life in the
    Russian Army. (One of his friends had been beaten to death during military
    training; the Russian Army is notorious for its brutal hazing of conscripts.)
    He sought my comfort, and I did what I could to help him feel better
    because I was impressed by his honesty and vulnerability.

    You (Dryhump) are one 'white American male' among many.
    White American men are as diversely endowed with individual human
    characteristics as any other people--that's something I have long known.
    Some white American men are among the best people whom I have ever
    known, and some of them are among the worst. Many white American men
    have treated me fairly enough, and some of them even seem to appreciate
    my sense of humour. Even when I have disagreed with white American men,
    I can have some respect for them if they present their views honestly
    and attempt to treat my views fairly (which often does not happen at RHP).

    I don't know why exactly some white American men seem to assume that
    I must fear or loathe all of them. Many white American men have said
    they have reasons for respecting me; some have said they have reasons
    for admiring me; a few have even said they have--or soon hope to have--
    reasons for loving me. A white American man has encouraged me to keep
    believing in myself when many other people seem to have written me off.
    So I don't object to an intimate attachment with a white American man.

    Speaking of exaggerated 'political correctness', I don't have much time
    for those people who casually write off Eurocentric history (which I know
    should become less Eurocentric) as only the work of 'dead white males'.
    'Dead white men' have contributed so much, for better and for worse, to
    human civilisation. When I was a child, most of the heroes that I admired
    were white men, and I never felt unable to identify with them as human
    being simply because I was not born as a white male. Indeed, I believe
    it's wrong to presume that a person should identify only with people of
    one's own gender, race/ethnicity, or nationality. While recognising that
    those barriers still remain, I have empathized with people across them.
    That's right--I grew up admiring and hoping to be like some white men.

    Should a young white American man have to feel guilty on account of
    past racism and sexism? He should not have to feel guilty about anything
    for which he was not personally responsible. At the same time, however,
    he has a moral obligation to become aware of the history and realities of
    racism and sexism and to listen with empathy toward those people who
    still are being afflicted by racism and sexism. Unfortunately, it's too easy
    for many right-wing white American men to say, 'I never have experienced
    racism or sexism, so I know that you must not have experienced too.'
    I don't have time for those white American men who would deliberately
    turn a blind eye toward racism and sexism and not even admit it could
    affect other people differently--that's deeply disrespectful toward people
    who are different from themselves.

    On a popular cultural note, sometimes I have overheard young white
    Americans wondering, 'Is it cool to be white?' or 'Is it cool to act white?'
    I would advise them, "Isn't it better for you to act like yourself rather
    than to attempt to act like a fake black person because popular culture
    tells you that's supposed to be cooler? Why should you care? Wouldn't you
    be happier to be yourself than to act like a stereotype of someone else?"

    My general point is that, while racism hurts non-white people more than
    white people, it's also not good in some ways for white people because
    it tends to constrain who they can be. While sexism hurts women more
    than men, it's also not good in some ways for men because it tends to
    constrain who they can be. Unfortunately, in some other ways, white
    people do benefit from racism and men do benefit from sexism, which
    explains in part why racism and sexism are so hard to eliminate or reduce.
    Racism and sexism will not disappear, as if by magic, simply if everyone
    closes one's eyes and waits for the calendar to advance. During the First
    World War, German Jews were among the best treated of all Jews in Europe.
    Indeed, many German Jews felt proud and thankful to be Germans as
    opposed to say, subjects of the notoriously anti-Semitic Russian Tsar.
    But during the Second World War, German Jews had a much darker fate.
    Times had changed--and not necessarily for the better.
  3. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    26 Jul '13 03:58
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    On a popular cultural note, sometimes I have overheard young white
    Americans wondering, 'Is it cool to be white?' or 'Is it cool to act white?'
    I would advise them, "Isn't it better for you to act like yourself rather
    than to attempt to act like a fake black person because popular culture
    tells you that's supposed to be cooler?"
    Cool people embrace what they are proudly. Insecure people try to be what they're not.

    Cool white types = bikers, ravers, surfers, punk rockers, etc
  4. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    26 Jul '13 14:35
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Cool people embrace what they are proudly. Insecure people try to be what they're not.

    Cool white types = bikers, ravers, surfers, punk rockers, etc
    Well yes, but your definition includes people who proudly embrace their racism and sexism.
  5. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    26 Jul '13 17:37
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    Well yes, but your definition includes people who proudly embrace their racism and sexism.
    Racism and sexism isn't what you are. Being black, or white, or gay, or straight - that's what you are.