Debates Forum

Debates Forum

  1. Standard membervivify
    rain
    Joined
    08 Mar '11
    Moves
    9781
    19 Oct '17 21:11
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/355944-nfl-to-continue-to-let-players-kneel-during-national-anthem-without#.WefYUyb2P8U.facebook

    NFL to allow players to kneel during anthem without penalty
    The NFL will continue allowing players to kneel during the national anthem at games, Commissioner Roger Goodell announced Tuesday, according to Reuters.
  2. Subscriberno1marauder
    Humble and Kind
    In the Gazette
    Joined
    22 Jun '04
    Moves
    40034
    19 Oct '17 21:11
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Owners can fire players at any time for any reason.

    As for why players would be required to stand, so that the NFL stops losing money.

    Players are a product. If what they do causes loss of money, then they should be replaced if they could make more money in doing so.

    It would be no different than having a career ending injury.
    No, they can't.

    The NFL players have a union and a collective bargaining agreement. Any attempt to discipline a player for refusing to do something not required by NFL rules and/or punishable under the CBA would surely be met with a lawsuit that would very likely prevail.
  3. Unknown Territories
    Joined
    05 Dec '05
    Moves
    20408
    19 Oct '17 21:13
    Originally posted by @vivify
    http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/355944-nfl-to-continue-to-let-players-kneel-during-national-anthem-without#.WefYUyb2P8U.facebook

    [b]NFL to allow players to kneel during anthem without penalty
    The NFL will continue allowing players to kneel during the national anthem at games, Commissioner Roger Goodell announced Tuesday, according to Reuters.
    [/b]
    Ha!
    Yes, my underlings: we (the royal 'we,' of course) will allow you to kneel.

    When did we start going backwards?
    Next up: Tom Brady says Andrew Luck sucks donkey, um, appendages.
  4. Standard memberfinnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    To the Left
    Joined
    25 Jun '06
    Moves
    64930
    19 Oct '17 21:19
    Originally posted by @eladar
    http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/20989433/gerald-mccoy-tampa-bay-buccaneers-uproar-players-forced-stand


    I am not sure how anyone is forced to stand. The players can quit the NFL.

    How would players be forced to stand when they can just quit and get a different job?
    All this says is you believe employers [should / do ] have the absolute right to make demands on employees regardless of the employee's personal values and ethics. Employment, to you, seems to be an entirely authoritarian relationship - not one negotiated between adults of equal standing. You are advocating that working adults must doff the cap to their masters. Short of demanding that we bow down and worship money, this is pathetic and infantile.
  5. Joined
    12 Jul '08
    Moves
    12496
    19 Oct '17 21:26
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    No, they can't.

    The NFL players have a union and a collective bargaining agreement. Any attempt to discipline a player for refusing to do something not required by NFL rules and/or punishable under the CBA would surely be met with a lawsuit that would very likely prevail.
    Players can be hired if the stars wish to strike.

    It has been done before.
  6. Joined
    12 Jul '08
    Moves
    12496
    19 Oct '17 21:27
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    All this says is you believe employers [should / do ] have the absolute right to make demands on employees regardless of the employee's personal values and ethics. Employment, to you, seems to be an entirely authoritarian relationship - not one negotiated between adults of equal standing. You are advocating that working adults must doff the cap to their masters. Short of demanding that we bow down and worship money, this is pathetic and infantile.
    If you are a detriment to the brand you need to go.
  7. Joined
    23 Nov '11
    Moves
    23347
    19 Oct '17 21:32
    https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10159304743365580&set=a.247450225579.292185.882405579&type=3
  8. Unknown Territories
    Joined
    05 Dec '05
    Moves
    20408
    19 Oct '17 21:391 edit
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    All this says is you believe employers [should / do ] have the absolute right to make demands on employees regardless of the employee's personal values and ethics. Employment, to you, seems to be an entirely authoritarian relationship - not one negotiated between adults of equal standing. You are advocating that working adults must doff the cap to their masters. Short of demanding that we bow down and worship money, this is pathetic and infantile.
    Let's test your sneering stand, wee one.
    Ought an enthusiastic, zeal-filled conservative Bible-thumping Christian be able to proselytize their employer's customers whilst in said employer's business of securing appointments for roofing quotes?

    Yeah.
    Didn't think so.
    You are encouraged to rethink your cap doffing objections.
    For more on the topic, I direct you to Big Kahuna, starring Kevin Spacey, Danny Divito and Peter Facinelli which tackled this very same topic.
    SPOILER WITH A HINT: The Christian is wrong.
  9. Standard memberfinnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    To the Left
    Joined
    25 Jun '06
    Moves
    64930
    19 Oct '17 21:48
    Originally posted by @eladar
    If you are a detriment to the brand you need to go.
    Of course. You are after all a commodity and can be replaced.
  10. Standard memberfinnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    To the Left
    Joined
    25 Jun '06
    Moves
    64930
    19 Oct '17 21:49
    Originally posted by @freakykbh
    Let's test your sneering stand, wee one.
    Ought an enthusiastic, zeal-filled conservative Bible-thumping Christian be able to proselytize their employer's customers whilst in said employer's business of securing appointments for roofing quotes?

    Yeah.
    Didn't think so.
    You are encouraged to rethink your cap doffing objections.
    For more on the topic, I ...[text shortened]... eter Facinelli which tackled this very same topic.
    SPOILER WITH A HINT: The Christian is wrong.
    Oh I can sneer. You give me every opportunity.
  11. Joined
    12 Jul '08
    Moves
    12496
    19 Oct '17 22:14
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    Of course. You are after all a commodity and can be replaced.
    That's why they get the big bucks. They are a valuable commodity.

    As long as they bring in enough money to cover their salaries and make a few more bucks to cover expenses and make a profit.

    Their actual value is zero, only what people will pay to watch.
  12. Standard memberkaroly aczel
    The Axe man
    Brisbane,QLD
    Joined
    11 Apr '09
    Moves
    92216
    19 Oct '17 22:19
    Originally posted by @eladar
    That's why they get the big bucks. They are a valuable commodity.

    As long as they bring in enough money to cover their salaries and make a few more bucks to cover expenses and make a profit.

    Their actual value is zero, only what people will pay to watch.
    That last sentence makes no sense.
  13. Joined
    12 Jul '08
    Moves
    12496
    19 Oct '17 22:23
    Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
    That last sentence makes no sense.
    Playing football in itself makes no money. Kids do it all the time and make no money doing it.

    The only value in football is what viewers are willing to cough up.
  14. Unknown Territories
    Joined
    05 Dec '05
    Moves
    20408
    19 Oct '17 22:59
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    Oh I can sneer. You give me every opportunity.
    And look at you!
    Squandering each and every one!
  15. Unknown Territories
    Joined
    05 Dec '05
    Moves
    20408
    19 Oct '17 23:03
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    Oh I can sneer. You give me every opportunity.
    Your lack of response speaks far more than any affected elegance.

    The dross is stultifying.
Back to Top