21 Oct 05
Originally posted by hurricane177I’m not sure what you could possibly mean by this. Animals have emotions, feel pain, and have a limited ability to reason and make decisions.
Animals are not self aware, or can not make decisions so they can not be innocent as they wouldnt know if there doing right or wrong.
A fox that decides not to eat the meat that has been placed in a trap knows better. A bird that puts nuts on the road for cars to crush them, or stale bread in water to soften it has reasoned and made a decision.
You say if they couldn’t do this they wouldn’t be innocent? Boy that’s twisted.
21 Oct 05
Originally posted by hurricane177I'm sure there are all sorts of animal rights laws in the UK as they are here in America. If somebody goes to jail for abusing their pet, that would be an example of a human law applied to an animal.
You can't apply human laws, morals, concepts etc to animmals.
21 Oct 05
Originally posted by The Chess Expressthe human would go to jail not their pet. Therefore its a human law applied to a human.
I'm sure there are all sorts of animal rights laws in the UK as they are here in America. If somebody goes to jail for abusing their pet, that would be an example of a human law applied to an animal.
21 Oct 05
Originally posted by hurricane177In order to send the human to jail though, it is necessary to give the animal the same rights that are applied to humans (right to life, right not to be assulted, tortured, etc). If the animal didn't have these human morals and laws applied to it, then it would not be illegal to abuse animals.
the human would go to jail not their pet. Therefore its a human law applied to a human.
21 Oct 05
Originally posted by The Chess ExpressIf animals have the same rights as humans why are they kept in cages, killed, eaten etc. Do that to a human and you would end up in jail or mental institution.
In order to send the human to jail though, it is necessary to give the animal the same rights that are applied to humans (right to life, right not to be assulted, tortured, etc). If the animal didn't have these human morals and laws applied to it, then it would not be illegal to abuse animals.
Its obvious animals don't have the same rights as humans, you dont get arrested every time you 'murder' a fly.
By the way im not pro animal abuse, i just dont think animals have human rights
21 Oct 05
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Originally posted by hurricane177If animals have the same rights as humans...
If animals have the same rights as humans why are they kept in cages, killed, eaten etc. Do that to a human and you would end up in jail or mental institution.
Its obvious animals don't have the same rights as humans, you dont get arrested every time you 'murder' a fly.
By the way im not pro animal abuse, i just dont think animals have human rights
Animals don’t have all the rights we have I agree. Animals don’t have the right to remain silent if they get arrested 😀 but if you try to eat your pet you might wind up in jail.
Why are construction projects put on hold if they threaten the habitat of an endangered species? This all has to do with basic human rights and morals that we apply to animals.
Its obvious animals don't have the same rights as humans, you dont get arrested every time you 'murder' a fly.
True. Some animals have more rights than others, but even the ones that are eaten cannot legally be abused.
By the way im not pro animal abuse...
I'm glad you mentioned this.
21 Oct 05
Originally posted by The Chess ExpressIf some animals have more rights than others, then who decides these rights?, and humans dont have different rights to each other so, animals must have there own rights and not those the same as humans
[b]If animals have the same rights as humans...
Animals don’t have all the rights we have I agree. Animals don’t have the right to remain silent if they get arrested 😀 but if you try to eat your pet you might wind up in jail.
Why are construction projects put on hold if they threaten the habitat of an endangered species? This all has to ...[text shortened]... y be abused.
By the way im not pro animal abuse...
I'm glad you mentioned this.[/b]