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  1. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    02 Nov '12 15:31 / 1 edit
    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced yesterday that General Carter Ham was relieved of command of AFRICOM for refusing to obey orders.

    The order he refused to obey: do not assist Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans as they were being attacked and killed in Benghazi.

    This is the smoking gun. That order could only have come from the walking turd called Obama. The walking turd called Obama abandoned four Americans to die.

    Obama is a coward. Shame on you if you vote for him.
  2. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    02 Nov '12 15:55
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced yesterday that General Carter Ham was relieved of command of AFRICOM for refusing to obey orders.

    The order he refused to obey: do not assist Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans as they were being attacked and killed in Benghazi.

    This is the smoking gun. That order could only have come fr ...[text shortened]... Obama abandoned four Americans to die.

    Obama is a coward. Shame on you if you vote for him.
    I'm voting for him. Maybe I'll commit voter fraud and vote for him twice (or three times).
  3. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    02 Nov '12 15:56 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by rwingett
    I'm voting for him. Maybe I'll commit voter fraud and vote for him twice (or three times).
    Then you like cowards.

    EDIT: What is it with you people? No strong father figure? Always got picked last for kickball? Sexually confused? Cool guy in school shoved you in your locker? Or are you just too lazy to work for what you want, so you want to take it away from someone who does have it?
  4. 02 Nov '12 16:11
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Then you like cowards.

    EDIT: What is it with you people? No strong father figure? Always got picked last for kickball? Sexually confused? Cool guy in school shoved you in your locker? Or are you just too lazy to work for what you want, so you want to take it away from someone who does have it?
    Dude, Obama is a secret Communist, Muslim mole who wants to bring down the USA. He does this with plots that are apparantly laughably simple to see through. Anyone who dares to do that while continiously surroused by patriotic secret service agents and soldiers must have balls of steel.
  5. 02 Nov '12 16:18
    Face it, these guys are Socialists. They like their man because he promises to make the US more like Western Europe and they like the idea of sticking it to rich people.
  6. 02 Nov '12 16:33
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced yesterday that General Carter Ham was relieved of command of AFRICOM for refusing to obey orders.

    The order he refused to obey: do not assist Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans as they were being attacked and killed in Benghazi.

    This is the smoking gun. That order could only have come fr ...[text shortened]... Obama abandoned four Americans to die.

    Obama is a coward. Shame on you if you vote for him.
    Do you know how many Americans die every year due to inadequate health care coverage? Why are you so obsessed about these four Americans who willingly put themselves on the line in a risky job and got killed because the MOD made a poor risk assessment (and Obama, while certainly having the responsibility, did not really have anything to do with those risk assessments personally)? Why not those 45,000 Americans who die every year from preventable medical conditions?
  7. Donation bbarr
    Chief Justice
    02 Nov '12 16:36 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced yesterday that General Carter Ham was relieved of command of AFRICOM for refusing to obey orders.

    The order he refused to obey: do not assist Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans as they were being attacked and killed in Benghazi.

    This is the smoking gun. That order could only have come fr ...[text shortened]... Obama abandoned four Americans to die.

    Obama is a coward. Shame on you if you vote for him.
    Ha! Another gem from the tinfoil hat brigade. Are you sure the ancient Greeks weren't behind this plot....?
  8. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    02 Nov '12 16:44
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Do you know how many Americans die every year due to inadequate health care coverage? Why are you so obsessed about these four Americans who willingly put themselves on the line in a risky job and got killed because the MOD made a poor risk assessment (and Obama, while certainly having the responsibility, did not really have anything to do with those ri ...[text shortened]... sonally)? Why not those 45,000 Americans who die every year from preventable medical conditions?
    Obamacare will make that worse, not better. But that's not the answer to your question.

    Why these four, when a far larger number of people die under tragic circumstances that, in the Liberal utopian vision, will always be prevented?

    Because Obama had the means, the resources, and the opportunity to directly intervene in their lives, and he did not. These events were inside his sphere of influence. He is, therefore, directly responsible for their deaths. He's not directly responsible for the 45,000 people who die, as tragic as their deaths may be.
  9. Standard member vivify
    rain
    02 Nov '12 16:48
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced yesterday that General Carter Ham was relieved of command of AFRICOM for refusing to obey orders.

    The order he refused to obey: do not assist Ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans as they were being attacked and killed in Benghazi.

    This is the smoking gun. That order could only have come fr ...[text shortened]... Obama abandoned four Americans to die.

    Obama is a coward. Shame on you if you vote for him.
    If the order came from Obama, Romney would spam the airwaves with endless attack ads about it. Right?
  10. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    02 Nov '12 16:50
    Originally posted by bbarr
    Ha! Another gem from the tinfoil hat brigade. Are you sure the ancient Greeks weren't behind this plot....?
    It's no longer deniable, and it's not my conjecture. It's objective fact that the mainstream media is desperately trying not to report.
  11. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    02 Nov '12 16:57 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    Defense Secretary Leon Panetta announced yesterday that General Carter Ham was relieved of command of AFRICOM for refusing to obey orders.
    Link?
  12. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    02 Nov '12 17:09
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Link?
    http://gerarddirect.com/2012/10/28/head-of-africom-fired-for-wanting-to-assist-personnel-in-benghazi/



    Head of AFRICOM Fired for Wanting to Assist Personnel in Benghazi
    By GerardDirect Staff - October 28, 2012

    General Carter Ham relieved of duty as Commander of AFRICOM
    Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta announced on Sunday that General Carter Ham Commander of GOC Africa Command (Africom), headquartered in Stuttgart, Germany has been relieved of his assignment for refusing to obey orders not to assist the US personnel in Benghazi on the night of September 11. Army General David Rodriguez has been appointed by President Obama to replace him. U.S. Africa Command is one of six unified geographic commands within the Department of Defense unified command structure.
    Gen. Ham refused to take responsibility for the decision not to provide essential air coverage and other support for the beleaguered personnel at the Consulate. After the information was leaked last week that three urgent requests for support were denied to the Americans trapped in the Consulate and the Annex, President Barack Obama said on Sunday, The minute I found out what was going on, I gave three very clear directives Number 1, make sure that we are securing our personnel and doing whatever we need to. According to the highly decorated, four-star General, Carter Ham, the President is lying.
    The Ambassador to Libya, Chris Stevens, another official, and two CIA assets and former NAVY SEALS disregarded repeated orders to stand down, and rescued several people from the burning Consulate under heavy fire. They requested assistance at least three times and were summarily denied each time. They had AQ mortars painted with laser pointers and requested a C130 attack on the target or a missile strike with a F-22 or F-35. They had laid the groundwork for a military response that would create minimum collateral damage. In return for their heroism, their urgent requests were denied and they died defending America.
    According to our sources, General Ham received copies of the e-mails that had been sent to the White House from Benghazi, requesting military support at the Consulate and the Annex after the attacks began. General Ham had a rapid response unit ready to deploy and communicated that to the Pentagon. He then received the order to stand down. His response to the Pentagon was essentially that he could not do that. Within a few minutes after sending that response, his second in command told General Ham that he was relieved of his command, effective immediately.
    On Saturday, October 27, Panetta confirmed that General Ham had been relieved of his assignment.
  13. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    02 Nov '12 17:13
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    http://gerarddirect.com/2012/10/28/head-of-africom-fired-for-wanting-to-assist-personnel-in-benghazi/



    Head of AFRICOM Fired for Wanting to Assist Personnel in Benghazi
    By GerardDirect Staff - October 28, 2012

    General Carter Ham relieved of duty as Commander of AFRICOM
    Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta announced on Sunday that General Carter ...[text shortened]... On Saturday, October 27, Panetta confirmed that General Ham had been relieved of his assignment.
    Thanks. I had just found the same site. I wonder how many Americans would agree the man should have been fired for disobeying those orders. Not very damn many I'd bet. Obama sucks.
  14. Standard member sasquatch672
    Don't Like It Leave
    02 Nov '12 17:18
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Thanks. I had just found the same site. I wonder how many Americans would agree the man should have been fired for disobeying those orders. Not very damn many I'd bet. Obama sucks.
    I'm a reasonable person. I really am. But if someone can see this and not be outraged, well, I'm sad for them.
  15. 02 Nov '12 17:20 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by sasquatch672
    It's no longer deniable, and it's not my conjecture. It's objective fact that the mainstream media is desperately trying not to report.
    -what is undeniably clear is this could have been prevented.
    -months earlier the consulate had a hole blown it.
    -there were up to 10 seperate terrorist training camps in the region.
    -a lybian police officer who was assigned to protecting the ambassador was taking pictures of the interrior (the day of the attack, i believe) and was viewed as very suspicious by the staff and theythought he was casing the place for a future attack.
    -the ambassador became increasingly worried of his security and repeatedly requested for more security and was denied. security was actually diminished.
    -the administration knew for months the danger of a terrorist attack and failed to add proper security and then tried to cover it up by placing blame on a protest over a video.