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  1. 16 Oct '10 22:11
    In a speech in Potsdam, she said the so-called "multikulti" concept - where people would "live side-by-side" happily - did not work.

    ...


    Mrs Merkel told a gathering of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party on Saturday that at "the beginning of the 60s our country called the foreign workers to come to Germany and now they live in our country... We kidded ourselves a while, we said: 'They won't stay, sometime they will be gone', but this isn't reality.

    "And of course, the approach [to build] a multicultural [society] and to live side-by-side and to enjoy each other... has failed, utterly failed."




    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-11559451


    Now that the Germans are aware of the problem, what can they do about it? Is it really possible to kick out all of the immigrants who are unwilling to accept German culture?
  2. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    16 Oct '10 22:25
    Originally posted by Eladar
    [b]In a speech in Potsdam, she said the so-called "multikulti" concept - where people would "live side-by-side" happily - did not work.

    ...


    Mrs Merkel told a gathering of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party on Saturday that at "the beginning of the 60s our country called the foreign workers to come to Germany and ...[text shortened]... ossible to kick out all of the immigrants who are unwilling to accept German culture?
    Politics
    quote from Reuters:
    "Merkel faces pressure from within her CDU to take a tougher line on immigrants who don't show a willingness to adapt to German society and her comments appeared intended to pacify her critics."

    .... and remember the CDU are right-wing ...
  3. Standard member DrKF
    incipit parodia
    16 Oct '10 23:06 / 2 edits
    The truth is that the number of immigrants seeking to become naturalised citizens has been in sharp decline over the last decade anyway (by around 50, that immigrants seeking to become naturalised must have lived in Germany legally for eight years (seven if they complete an integration course, six for refugees), demonstrate an independent income and that they do not require social security or welfare benefits, and have a good grasp of the German language. If a 'problem' exists in any way, it has been addressed for the last decade, first through already declining numbers, and then through changes in immigration law dating to 2005. Merkel's statements sound, under the circumstances, more like pandering to the right than any reflection of reality.

    There's data here:
    https://milo.bamf.de/llde/livelink.exe/fetch/2000/702450/7940651/13318648/customview.html?func=ll&objId=13531090%20%20&objAction=browse&sort=name

    and here:
    https://milo.bamf.de/llde/livelink.exe/fetch/2000/702450/7940651/13318648/customview.html?func=ll&objId=13318848%20%20&objAction=browse&sort=name

    wikipedia also tells us that:

    In 2005: Total population = 82 million[2]
    German citizens = (91% )[2]
    Germans of no immigrant background: (81% ) 66.7 million[2]
    German citizens of immigrant background (including people of partial immigrant background.): (10% )[2]
    Foreigners: (9% )[3]
    Turkish = (2.1% ) 1,713,551
    Others = (6.7% ) Around 5 million
    Italians (528,318)
    Poles (384,808)
    Serbs and Montenegrians (330,608)
    Greeks (294,891)
    Croats (225,309)
    Russian Federation (187,835)
    Austrians (175,875)
    Bosnia and Herzegovina (158,158)
    Dutch (128,192)
    Ukrainians (126,960)
    and others each around 100,000: Portugeese, French, Spanish, United States, and United Kingdom citizens.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Germany

    In 2007, 91.2% (75.0 million) of residents in Germany had German citizenship. Of the remaining 8.8% (7.2 million), 1.7 million (2.1% ) had Turkish, 0.5 million (0.6% ) Italian and 0.4 million (0.5% ) Polish citizenship...

    In 2007 62 percent of immigrants living in Germany came from Europe. The most immigrants came from:
    Turkey (14,2 percent of all immigrants)
    Russia (9,4 percent of all immigrants)
    Poland (6,9 perent of all immigrants)
    Italy (4,2 percent of all immigrants)

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Immigration_to_Germany

    more info here:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_nationality_law
  4. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    17 Oct '10 00:15 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    In a speech in Potsdam, she said the so-called "multikulti" concept - where people would "live side-by-side" happily - did not work.

    ...


    Mrs Merkel told a gathering of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party on Saturday that at "the beginning of the 60s our country called the foreign workers to come to Germany and ossible to kick out all of the immigrants who are unwilling to accept German culture?
    Don't let the door hit you on the way out, whites!

    LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS FROM 1492— IT'S ONLY 500 YEARS AGO!
    "EURO-AMERICANS" AND EUROPEANS HAVE SAID THAT IT'S ALRIGHT
    FOR JEWS TO TAKE BACK LAND THAT THEY LOST 2,000 YEARS AGO!
    THEN THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LAND THAT WAS WRONGFULLY
    TAKEN FROM US JUST 150 YEARS AGO
    AND THE REST THAT WAS STOLEN JUST 500 YEARS AGO.

    YOU CAN'T HAVE RULES AND LOGIC
    THAT ONLY WORK FOR WHITE INTERESTS
    AND THEN HAVE THOSE SAME RULES AND LOGIC
    NOT WORK FOR NON-WHITES INTERESTS.

    http://www.mexica-movement.org/letstalkillegals.htm
  5. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    17 Oct '10 01:10 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    [b]In a speech in Potsdam, she said the so-called "multikulti" concept - where people would "live side-by-side" happily - did not work.

    ...


    Mrs Merkel told a gathering of younger members of her conservative Christian Democratic Union (CDU) party on Saturday that at "the beginning of the 60s our country called the foreign workers to come to Germany and ossible to kick out all of the immigrants who are unwilling to accept German culture?
    [/b]
    Of course you can't "kick out all of the immigrants who are unwilling to accept German culture."

    You reform your immigration policy henceforth but you live with your mistakes of the past.

    At least Germany has plenty of experience learning what not to do from their own past.
  6. Standard member caissad4
    Child of the Novelty
    17 Oct '10 01:21
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    [b]Don't let the door hit you on the way out, whites!

    [i]LET'S TALK ABOUT THIS FROM 1492— IT'S ONLY 500 YEARS AGO!
    "EURO-AMERICANS" AND EUROPEANS HAVE SAID THAT IT'S ALRIGHT
    FOR JEWS TO TAKE BACK LAND THAT THEY LOST 2,000 YEARS AGO!
    THEN THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE A PROBLEM WITH LAND THAT WAS WRONGFULLY
    TAKEN FROM US JUST 150 YEARS AGO
    AND THE REST THA ...[text shortened]... TE INTERESTS
    AND THEN HAVE THOSE SAME RULES AND LOGIC
    NOT WORK FOR NON-WHITES INTERESTS.
    Let us not forget the "Great Murderer" President Andrew Jackson who drove my people out of Georgia even after the US Supreme Court ruled that it was illegal. Every time I see a twenty dollar bill I am reminded of a mass murderer who somehow gets honored.
  7. 17 Oct '10 02:33
    Originally posted by sh76
    Of course you can't "kick out all of the immigrants who are unwilling to accept German culture."

    You reform your immigration policy henceforth but you live with your mistakes of the past.

    At least Germany has plenty of experience learning what not to do from their own past.
    Why can't you deport populations that you no longer want in your country? No nation is required to allow immigrants to remain. You can always deport them back to their nation of origin.

    If you don't deport them, they will continue to be a cancer.
  8. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    17 Oct '10 02:39
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Why can't you deport populations that you no longer want in your country? No nation is required to allow immigrants to remain. You can always deport them back to their nation of origin.

    If you don't deport them, they will continue to be a cancer.
    What a pathetic dupe you are. As long as the rich can get the poorer classes to occupy their time by attacking each other, the less they have to worry about their own position.
  9. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    17 Oct '10 02:44
    Originally posted by caissad4
    Let us not forget the "Great Murderer" President Andrew Jackson who drove my people out of Georgia even after the US Supreme Court ruled that it was illegal. Every time I see a twenty dollar bill I am reminded of a mass murderer who somehow gets honored.
  10. 17 Oct '10 02:49
    Originally posted by rwingett
    What a pathetic dupe you are. As long as the rich can get the poorer classes to occupy their time by attacking each other, the less they have to worry about their own position.
    If you deport one group, then there won't be anything to fight over. I suppose you're right, the rich do like to have the cheap labor and the abilitiy to create chaos. Let's see if Germany can overcome the rich and do what is right.
  11. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    17 Oct '10 02:52
    Originally posted by rwingett
    What a pathetic dupe you are. As long as the rich can get the poorer classes to occupy their time by attacking each other, the less they have to worry about their own position.
    When poor folk do well, rich folk do well also. You're the pathetic dupe for believing there's some great rich folk conspiracy devoted to keeping all the poor folk at each others throat.
  12. 17 Oct '10 08:20 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Why can't you deport populations that you no longer want in your country? No nation is required to allow immigrants to remain. You can always deport them back to their nation of origin.

    If you don't deport them, they will continue to be a cancer.
    They tried that before in Germany, but it didn't turn out so well.

    Merkel's comments are politics, nothing more. The number of immigrants to Germany has been in a steep decline already. The worrying trend perhaps is the rising number of people with an Eladar-like mindset, and Merkel wants to make sure these "people" vote for the CDU instead of racist parties such as the ones all around Europe.

    I'm not sure this strategy will work, however, since removing the taboo on being a racist moron also makes it easier for racist parties to get votes.
  13. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    17 Oct '10 09:46
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Why can't you deport populations that you no longer want in your country? No nation is required to allow immigrants to remain. You can always deport them back to their nation of origin.

    If you don't deport them, they will continue to be a cancer.
    Are you vile, stupid or vile & stupid?
  14. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    17 Oct '10 11:32 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by rwingett
    What a pathetic dupe you are. As long as the rich can get the poorer classes to occupy their time by attacking each other, the less they have to worry about their own position.
    The main problems that face socialists in these discussions is that they don't realize (or perhaps it's admit) that the economy is not a zero sum game. The poor don't have to suffer for the rich to prosper and the rich don't have to cut back for the poor to be made better off. When the economy does well, assuming a well run economic model, everyone does well.

    In addition, the "rich" is not a static concept. There really is no need for classes to despise each other.
  15. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    17 Oct '10 11:52
    Originally posted by sh76
    The main problems that face socialists in these discussions is that they don't realize (or perhaps it's admit) that the economy is not a zero sum game. The poor don't have to suffer for the rich to prosper and the rich don't have to cut back for the poor to be made better off. When the economy does well, assuming a well run economic model, everyone does well.
    ...[text shortened]... "rich" is not a static concept. There really is no need for classes to despise each other.
    I think you misjudge most of the socialists on here. I think they want a fairer society and that wwould entail a certain amount of redistribution of wealth and equal opportunity for improvement.
    HOWEVER
    This really started as a racist thread. And there should be no need for races to despise each other.
    In paricular referring to a sizeable percentage of a population as a cancer is particularly offensive.