Debates Forum

Debates Forum

  1. Account suspended
    Joined
    26 Aug '07
    Moves
    38239
    08 Aug '17 08:563 edits
    Would be rather interested to here the forum views on 'Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber' a critique authored by an employee (ex employee now) and aimed at Google’s “diversity and inclusion” initiatives.

    “When it comes to diversity and inclusion, Google’s left bias has created a politically correct monoculture that maintains its hold by shaming dissenters into silence,” the author wrote -

    https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2017/aug/08/google-fires-author-anti-diversity-memo

    In having a 'diversity program', is this in itself not special privilege? rather than seeking to promote equality does it not go beyond equality and bestows upon others special privilege merely by virtue of gender and/or ethnicity? If not, why not? Is there a 'politically correct monoculture', which seeks to shame dissension into silence and in this instance at least has lead to loss of employment for the author.
  2. Standard memberfinnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    To the Left
    Joined
    25 Jun '06
    Moves
    64930
    08 Aug '17 09:45
    Originally posted by @robbie-carrobie
    Would be rather interested to here the forum views on 'Google’s Ideological Echo Chamber' a critique authored by an employee (ex employee now) and aimed at Google’s “diversity and inclusion” initiatives.

    “When it comes to diversity and inclusion, Google’s left bias has created a politically correct monoculture that maintains its hold by shaming d ...[text shortened]... ension into silence and in this instance at least has lead to loss of employment for the author.
    ffs

    Women really do not need to argue the theory of equal rights any more. That is history. We (I am not a woman) are now demanding its implementation.
  3. Account suspended
    Joined
    26 Aug '07
    Moves
    38239
    08 Aug '17 16:062 edits
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    ffs

    Women really do not need to argue the theory of equal rights any more. That is history. We (I am not a woman) are now demanding its implementation.
    The point is my Celtic cousin in silencing any dissent google had created a politically correct monoculture while purporting to support diversity and in establishing a 'diversity program' has gone beyond equality to supporting special privilege. Is this or is it not the case?
  4. Standard memberSleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    Dustbin of history
    Joined
    13 Apr '07
    Moves
    12727
    08 Aug '17 16:29
    Here's a link to the guy's memo (PDF).

    https://assets.documentcloud.org/documents/3914586/Googles-Ideological-Echo-Chamber.pdf
  5. Germany
    Joined
    27 Oct '08
    Moves
    3118
    08 Aug '17 16:31
    Someone publicly expressed a moronic opinion that directly attacks the company they work for, breaks the company's code of conduct and then gets fired. How unfair!
  6. Standard memberSleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    Dustbin of history
    Joined
    13 Apr '07
    Moves
    12727
    08 Aug '17 16:481 edit
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    Someone publicly expressed a moronic opinion that directly attacks the company they work for, breaks the company's code of conduct and then gets fired. How unfair!
    Google had every right to fire him, but by doing so they proved him right.

    Edit: From his memo:
    People generally have good intentions, but we all have biases which are invisible to us. Thankfully, open and honest discussion with those who disagree can highlight our blind spots and help us grow, which is why I wrote this document​. Google has several biases and honest discussion about these biases is being silenced by the dominant ideology.
  7. Account suspended
    Joined
    26 Aug '07
    Moves
    38239
    08 Aug '17 17:211 edit
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    Someone publicly expressed a moronic opinion that directly attacks the company they work for, breaks the company's code of conduct and then gets fired. How unfair!
    The issue is not about whether he attacked the companies policy, whether they had a right to terminate his employment or whether it was fair or unfair. The issue is whether or not Google while allegedly supporting diversity has created a 'politically correct monoculture' which has no room for diverse perspectives or by having a so called 'diversity program' based on ethnicity and gender has gone beyond equality and is extending special privilege.

    Calling his critique of Google moronic does nothing to answer any of these questions.
  8. Joined
    02 Jan '06
    Moves
    10087
    08 Aug '17 18:15
    Originally posted by @finnegan
    ffs

    Women really do not need to argue the theory of equal rights any more. That is history. We (I am not a woman) are now demanding its implementation.
    You're not a woman? In this transgender world of ours why didn't you choose to be? Are you a misogynist?
  9. Joined
    02 Jan '06
    Moves
    10087
    08 Aug '17 18:17
    Originally posted by @robbie-carrobie
    The issue is not about whether he attacked the companies policy, whether they had a right to terminate his employment or whether it was fair or unfair. The issue is whether or not Google while allegedly supporting diversity has created a 'politically correct monoculture' which has no room for diverse perspectives or by having a so called 'diversity ...[text shortened]... lege.

    Calling his critique of Google moronic does nothing to answer any of these questions.
    Lies!!

    Right wing talking points!

    Safe zone, where's my Google safe zone!!!!!!!!! 😲
  10. Joined
    24 Apr '10
    Moves
    14639
    08 Aug '17 18:20
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    Someone publicly expressed a moronic opinion that directly attacks the company they work for, breaks the company's code of conduct and then gets fired. How unfair!
    You actually find Google's actions defendable??

    Man, is there nothing that all the "left" people on this website don't have a "left" opinion on and all the "right" people have a "right" opinion on?
  11. Joined
    24 Apr '10
    Moves
    14639
    08 Aug '17 18:21
    Originally posted by @robbie-carrobie
    The issue is not about whether he attacked the companies policy, whether they had a right to terminate his employment or whether it was fair or unfair. The issue is whether or not Google while allegedly supporting diversity has created a 'politically correct monoculture' which has no room for diverse perspectives or by having a so called 'diversity ...[text shortened]... lege.

    Calling his critique of Google moronic does nothing to answer any of these questions.
    Damnit.

    I'm agreeing with the forum clown.

    🙁
  12. Garner, NC
    Joined
    04 Nov '05
    Moves
    27885
    08 Aug '17 19:25
    Liberals don't try to ruin anyone who disagrees. It is only those who's opinions are so completely wrong and insulting that would be fired for holding such opinions.

    It just so happens that any and all disagreement with liberals are completely wrong and insulting to them. It is theoretically possible to have a reasoned debate with a liberal and not be viewed as a bigot. However, no one so far has found any examples of an opinion that would both disagree with a liberal and not result in one being accused of bigotry.

    For example, if I were to hypothesize that there are fewer women in technology fields because they have less natural interest in such jobs, that would be a firing offense because it is totally insulting and doesn't even warrant a response. One does not even have to conduct a scientific study to determine the falsity of this. All good and decent people just "know" that they only reason a woman would be underrepresented in a field is because of misogyny.
  13. Germany
    Joined
    27 Oct '08
    Moves
    3118
    08 Aug '17 19:52
    Originally posted by @robbie-carrobie
    The issue is not about whether he attacked the companies policy, whether they had a right to terminate his employment or whether it was fair or unfair. The issue is whether or not Google while allegedly supporting diversity has created a 'politically correct monoculture' which has no room for diverse perspectives or by having a so called 'diversity ...[text shortened]... lege.

    Calling his critique of Google moronic does nothing to answer any of these questions.
    That's not an "issue," it's a tabloid talking point.
  14. Standard memberfinnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    To the Left
    Joined
    25 Jun '06
    Moves
    64930
    08 Aug '17 20:052 edits
    Originally posted by @robbie-carrobie
    The issue is not about whether he attacked the companies policy, whether they had a right to terminate his employment or whether it was fair or unfair. The issue is whether or not Google while allegedly supporting diversity has created a 'politically correct monoculture' which has no room for diverse perspectives or by having a so called 'diversity ...[text shortened]... lege.

    Calling his critique of Google moronic does nothing to answer any of these questions.
    What Google appears to have decided is that its equal opportunities policy is no longer available for discussion. It is there to be implemented and not to be called into question or undermined.

    Part of Google's concern will be that it is seen to uphold such a fundamental policy.

    The notion that the right to "free speech" is applicable in this context is not serious.

    There is nothing terribly interesting in the concept of a corporate culture - "the way we do things" - being prioritised and protected. It is common.

    An employee distributing Alt-Rght nonsense is not only undermining this corporate policy but also demonstrably a fkg idiot troublemaker.
  15. Account suspended
    Joined
    26 Aug '07
    Moves
    38239
    08 Aug '17 20:091 edit
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    That's not an "issue," it's a tabloid talking point.
    Its so tabloid that you have failed to address it twice now. Perhaps a click on the feeling lucky button might help.
Back to Top