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  1. Behind the scenes
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    10 Mar '18 08:55
    Now that the Supreme court has decided the classic GOP cheating tactic of redistricting doesn't pass legal muster, we must ask ourselves: How much is this going to impact future elections? I'd say it will give the Democrats about a 2-3 point boost nationally. Any thoughts?



    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-pennsylvania-redistricting-20180205-story.html
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    10 Mar '18 11:23
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Now that the Supreme court has decided the classic GOP cheating tactic of redistricting doesn't pass legal muster, we must ask ourselves: How much is this going to impact future elections? I'd say it will give the Democrats about a 2-3 point boost nationally. Any thoughts?



    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-pennsylvania-redistricting-20180205-story.html
    So you learned nothing from 2016.

    The biggest block to a fair election wasn't redistricting. It was the millions of voters of color who didn't even get to vote because Kris Kobach convinced Republican state elections officials to strike them from the voting rolls under the guise of combating non-existant "voter fraud".

    Make no mistake, they're going to fire up their tried-and-true election machine again for 2018. But, of course this will escape the notice of the mainstream media again because who cares if a few blacks and latinos don't get to vote, eh? I mean it's not like any whites were disenfranchised... There were estimates that up to 7 million voters of color across 26 states did not get to vote in 2016. How many people will need to be disenfranchised this time for anyone to notice? 10 million? 15 million?
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    10 Mar '18 13:11
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    So you learned nothing from 2016.

    The biggest block to a fair election wasn't redistricting. It was the millions of voters of color who didn't even get to vote because Kris Kobach convinced Republican state elections officials to strike them from the voting rolls under the guise of combating non-existant "voter fraud".

    Make no mistake, they're going ...[text shortened]... people will need to be disenfranchised this time for anyone to notice? 10 million? 15 million?
    We need voter ID!
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    10 Mar '18 22:392 edits
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    So you learned nothing from 2016.

    The biggest block to a fair election wasn't redistricting. It was the millions of voters of color who didn't even get to vote because Kris Kobach convinced Republican state elections officials to strike them from the voting rolls under the guise of combating non-existant "voter fraud".

    Make no mistake, they're going ...[text shortened]... people will need to be disenfranchised this time for anyone to notice? 10 million? 15 million?
    So you learned nothing from 2016.

    The biggest block to a fair election wasn't redistricting. It was the millions of voters of color who didn't even get to vote because Kris Kobach convinced Republican state elections officials to strike them from the voting rolls under the guise of combating non-existant "voter fraud".




    Yes, Suzianne actually I did learn this, and am fully aware the red state practice of closing voting booths, allowing fewer hours per day to vote, and racial discrimination made a big difference, but redistricting by GOP lawmakers played a roll as well.

    It's not ALWAYS about the big, bad white man oppressing everyone else.😲
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    10 Mar '18 22:43
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    We need voter ID!
    Another oversimplified soundbite. Kind of like soft on crime. 🙄
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    12 Mar '18 14:33
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    We need voter ID!
    You need a sane system and voter ID, which must also be made easily accessible. It can be done; it has been done in real democracies. But the USA isn't one of those, so it won't be done.

    mchill is partly right that gerrymandering is deleterious, but it's a symptom of the underlying brokenness. Suzianne is partly right that fraudulent officials are a problem, but they'd have no chance if your system weren't broken. You are right that voter ID, well managed, helps prevent fraud, but in yout system it cannot be well managed.

    The state-sized first-past-the-post is what's really wrong with your system. It inevitably leads to polarisation and fraud. All the other problems are just symptoms of that fundamental brokenness of design.
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    12 Mar '18 15:05
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Now that the Supreme court has decided the classic GOP cheating tactic of redistricting doesn't pass legal muster, we must ask ourselves: How much is this going to impact future elections? I'd say it will give the Democrats about a 2-3 point boost nationally. Any thoughts?



    http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-pennsylvania-redistricting-20180205-story.html
    The SCOTUS has not made any final determination on partisan gerrymandering though two cases are pending.
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    12 Mar '18 15:28
    Originally posted by @shallow-blue
    You need a sane system and voter ID, which must also be made easily accessible. It can be done; it has been done in real democracies. But the USA isn't one of those, so it won't be done.

    mchill is partly right that gerrymandering is deleterious, but it's a symptom of the underlying brokenness. Suzianne is partly right that fraudulent official ...[text shortened]... on and fraud. All the other problems are just symptoms of that fundamental brokenness of design.
    I never have to show ID when I go to vote. We don't seem to have any major problems with fraud here.
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