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  1. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    03 Jul '10 05:44 / 1 edit
    Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele: "Keep in mind again, [...] this was a war of Obama's choosing," Steele said. "This is not something the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in. [...] Well, if [Obama is] such a student of history, has he not understood that you know that's the one thing you don't do, is engage in land war in Afghanistan? All right, because everyone who has tried, over a thousand years of history, has failed."

    Is Steele merely speaking candidly on behalf of tens of millions of angry Americans when he makes these claims?
  2. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    04 Jul '10 02:56
    Originally posted by FMF
    Republican National Committee Chairman Michael Steele: "Keep in mind again, [...] this was a war of Obama's choosing," Steele said. "This is not something the United States had actively prosecuted or wanted to engage in. [...] Well, if [Obama is] such a student of history, has he not understood that you know that's the one thing you don't do, is engage in land w ...[text shortened]... ing candidly on behalf of tens of millions of angry Americans when he makes these claims?
    That is an odd thing to assert. Maybe he meant that Obama chose to support and continue it. Obviously, Obama didn't choose to start it. What's the context of the quote?
  3. 04 Jul '10 05:19
    http://news.google.com/news/story?pz=1&cf=all&ned=us&hl=en&ncl=dV1vmhwPjEbujBMRuupgP49rT686M
  4. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    04 Jul '10 07:07
    Originally posted by sh76
    That is an odd thing to assert. Maybe he meant that Obama chose to support and continue it. Obviously, Obama didn't choose to start it. What's the context of the quote?
    Fox News:

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/02/steele-blames-afghan-war-obama-drawing-calls-resign/
  5. 04 Jul '10 07:15
    Wow, Steele is still GOP chairman? Well, at least we can enjoy absurd statements like those in the OP for a little while longer.
  6. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    04 Jul '10 07:27
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Wow, Steele is still GOP chairman? Well, at least we can enjoy absurd statements like those in the OP for a little while longer.
    But maybe Steele is merely speaking candidly on behalf of tens of millions of angry Americans when he makes these claims. How many Americans think that Obama is not a U.S. citizen, that he is a Muslim, that he is homosexual, that he is a Hamas supporter or funded by Hamas, that he is a Communist, that he is trying to destroy America, that he should be punched in the mouth because some soldiers died in a war, that he should be impeached for being a 'traitor', that he is directly and personally responsible for every chronic diseased person's suffering, that he is like Hitler...? etc. etc. You know the routine. But these ideas and opinions have traction and many are held with almost psychotic fervour. And they are held exclusively by Republicans and Tea Party people. Isn't Steele merely lending them some voice at the national level of the political domain.
  7. 04 Jul '10 18:16
    Originally posted by FMF
    But maybe Steele is merely speaking candidly on behalf of tens of millions of angry Americans when he makes these claims. How many Americans think that Obama is not a U.S. citizen, that he is a Muslim, that he is homosexual, that he is a Hamas supporter or funded by Hamas, that he is a Communist, that he is trying to destroy America, that he should be punched in ...[text shortened]... . Isn't Steele merely lending them some voice at the national level of the political domain.
    held exclusively by Repubs and Tea Party groups, is stretching things a bit.
  8. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    04 Jul '10 18:18
    Originally posted by FMF
    But maybe Steele is merely speaking candidly on behalf of tens of millions of angry Americans when he makes these claims. How many Americans think that Obama is not a U.S. citizen, that he is a Muslim, that he is homosexual, that he is a Hamas supporter or funded by Hamas, that he is a Communist, that he is trying to destroy America, that he should be punched in ...[text shortened]... . Isn't Steele merely lending them some voice at the national level of the political domain.
    Steele is supposed to speak for all Republicans, not just the tea partiers and wingnuts (notice that I use the conjunction to imply that they are not one and the same).
  9. 04 Jul '10 18:20 / 1 edit
    http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/mikes-letter/open-letter-president-obama-michael-moorehttp://www.ipetitions.com/petition/dems_who_will_not_vote_for_obama/index.html



    I call for a retraction of the remark,, exclusively from the debate..... :-)
  10. 04 Jul '10 18:21
    Obama decided to put it on the front burner, but I do think it is a ridiculous claim and should not have been brought up. There are plenty of other issues that will sink Obama and the Dems, like the economy and rampant spending that is just being wasted.

    Obama may have very well been born outside the US. Obama is definitely destroying the US economy. Trying to kick the can further down the road is not a responsible way to deal with issues.
  11. 04 Jul '10 18:25
    http://shop.cafepress.com/democrats-against-obama

    get your T-shirts and bumper stickers here.......
  12. 04 Jul '10 18:31
    Hugh,

    Looks like something my dad would like. I think Obama is the first Democrat presidential candidate he won't vote for. He did in the last election, I don't think he will in the next. He won't vote for the Republican, so unless there's a third party person to vote for, he just won't vote.
  13. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    04 Jul '10 18:49
    Originally posted by FMF
    But maybe Steele is merely speaking candidly on behalf of tens of millions of angry Americans when he makes these claims. How many Americans think that Obama is not a U.S. citizen, that he is a Muslim, that he is homosexual, that he is a Hamas supporter or funded by Hamas, that he is a Communist, that he is trying to destroy America, that he should be punched in ...[text shortened]... . Isn't Steele merely lending them some voice at the national level of the political domain.
    From the perspective of the dominant Protestant Anglo culture:

    Not US citizen = "not one of us"
    He is a Muslim = "not one of us"
    He is gay = "not one of us"
    Putative Hamas connection = "his side is attacking our side (Israel)"
    Communist = "the red menace"
    Destroy America = "not one of us"
    Soldiers died = "sending us to our deaths"
    Traitor = "not one of us"
    Like Hitler = "the face of evil, definitely not one of us!"

    We're supposed to be a MELTING POT people, not a monoethnic colony!
  14. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    04 Jul '10 18:51 / 1 edit
    NVM