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  1. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    08 Apr '17 12:30
    Groundhog Day - Jihad Version
    By: William Kilpatrick


    I think I’ve seen this movie before. The plot goes something like this: a man drives a car into a crowd of people, gets out of his vehicle, shouts an Arabic phrase, begins to stab bystanders, and is shot by police.

    You probably know the rest of the story. Ordinary people immediately understand that it’s another jihad attack. But the police and the media are baffled. They spend hours and sometimes days looking into the possibility that it might be an act of terrorism. By the time they finally decide that it is terrorism, most people have moved on to the next news cycle.

    Then there’s the question of identity. Who did it? At first the assailant is simply identified as a “man.” Then, after a suitable interval, he’s identified as a “London resident” or a “resident of Marseille,” or whatever the case may be. Next we learn that he’s an “Asian man” (if the incident occurs in England) or a “North African man” (if in France). Finally, we are told that it is a Muslim man, but by this point many have lost interest.

    Next comes the matter of motive. Of course, the average citizen already knows the motive: the jihadist did it for the sake of Allah and the seventy-two virgins. But for some reason the Kabuki ritual must be played out to the end. Very often there is no end – that is, no motive is ever found. The authorities decide that the perpetrator acted irrationally. He was mentally ill or emotionally disturbed, or other kids bullied him in school.

    As Governor John Kasich said after a Muslim student at Ohio State University perpetrated a car and knife attack on fellow students, “we may never totally find out why this person. . .snapped.” One sometimes gets the impression that the authorities never want to know. That would explain why the motivation behind the crime is usually left hanging.

    At any rate, the mystery-motive motif is a recurrent plot feature. After Khalid Masood’s car and knife rampage, which left several dead and forty wounded in London recently, a senior police official said, “We must accept that there is a possibility we will never understand why he did this.”

    One thing you can be sure of in the official version: whatever the motive, it has nothing to do with Islam. The authorities are uncertain about everything else, but they are always quite certain of that. The denial comes in several variations: “this has nothing to do with Islam,” “this is a perversion of a great religion,” ”No religion condones terror,” and even, “this is a betrayal of Islam.”

    The latest iteration comes from Digby Jones, a former Minister of State for Trade in the U.K. In regard to Masood’s jihadi-style attack, Jones said, “I think the fact that the man is a Muslim is utterly and completely irrelevant.”

    Another predictable plot feature is that much time is spent determining whether the jihadist is a “lone-wolf” or a card-carrying member of ISIS. The authorities and the press seem to favor the lone-wolf scenario, perhaps because the terror threat seems less ominous when only one person is involved. Another possibility is that the authorities bear less blame for not preventing the attack since there’s no way of predicting when and where a lone wolf will strike.

    As it turns out, however, the lone wolves are often “known wolves” – known to the police, that is, for various previous crimes. Moreover, the lone wolves are not that lonely. They usually have family and friends who know what they’re up to, and, not infrequently, they have made contact with terrorist group operatives prior to the attack. In addition, they share a common belief system with jihadists everywhere. What belief system is that? Well. . .let’s move on.

    The final act of this ritual theater is a statement – by a governor, a president, or a prime minister – to the effect that we won’t change who we are to suit the terrorists. As U.K. Prime Minister Theresa May said after the Westminster Bridge attack, “Let me make it clear today. . .any attempt to defeat our values through violence and terror is doomed to failure.”

    Apparently, one of those key values is tolerance. U.K Home Secretary Amber Ruddput it this way:

    The British people will be united in working together to defeat those who would harm our shared values. Values of democracy, tolerance, and the rule of law.

    “Tolerance?” Isn’t that the value that got England into this mess in the first place? Well, never mind. No one but the media pays attention to such statements of resolve.

    We’ve been hearing that sort of thing for a dozen years, and the jihad attacks keep multiplying. On the same day as the London terror attack, a Muslim migrant in southern Italy tried to run down police with a car. He then attacked and injured an officer with a knife. The next day in Antwerp, a Muslim man drove a car loaded with assault rifles and knives into a crowd on a busy shopping street.

    I haven’t seen the follow-up stories, but presumably both men were mentally ill, the incident had nothing to do with Islam, and the police will be searching for a motive for a long time to come.

    That’s the routine. And it seems that we are expected to get used to it. Prime Minister May said that people should just continue to act normally because that’s “the best response to terrorism.” Meanwhile, London Mayor Sadiq Khan said that despite the attack, London would return to “business as usual.” But business as usual now includes the ritual re-enactment of the jihad terror cycle.

    In a way, the “movie” we are in resembles the plot of Groundhog Day. Like the main character in the movie, we seem doomed to witness the same ritual day after day, week after week. There’s still hope, of course. After he finally gains some wisdom, the hero of Groundhog Day breaks out of the cycle.

    Will we?
  2. 08 Apr '17 12:45 / 4 edits
    Left wingers blame US military intervention on the jihad, and/or global warming cuz everything bad is caused by global warming, duh! They don't accept the notion that Allah is a war god with Mo as his warlord prophet and teachings, so virtually any heinous act carried out in the name of jihad will be forgiven and tolerated. No amount of terrorist carnage they inflict can ever make up for the oppression from non-Muslim countries. Even if Islam becomes the dominant power in the world and even if they inflict mass genocide on infidels, it will never make up for all the wrong's they have suffered at the hands of infidels.

    Dolt's like Kasich understand exactly why the Muslim in question took out a knife and tried to kill a bunch of people. They just think that they are paying for the sins of their ancestors and cross their fingers thinking that they can integrate them into society and make peace at some point. The trouble is, Muslims integrate into society of infidels about as well as Europeans integrated into Indian society in the 1600's.

    Judging from the violence of Muslims on Muslim in the world, the violence will never end so long as the war god Allah and the teachings of his prophet are embraced cuz oppression never ends. There is always an excuse to pick up a knife or plow your car into a crowd of people cuz human beings naturally oppress other human beings no matter their race, sex, or religion. That's why learning to turn the other cheek is our only hope, not jihad.
  3. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    08 Apr '17 15:15
    Originally posted by whodey
    Left wingers blame US military intervention on the jihad, and/or global warming cuz everything bad is caused by global warming, duh! They don't accept the notion that Allah is a war god with Mo as his warlord prophet and teachings, so virtually any heinous act carried out in the name of jihad will be forgiven and tolerated. No amount of terrorist carnage t ...[text shortened]... ace, sex, or religion. That's why learning to turn the other cheek is our only hope, not jihad.
    That's why learning to turn the other cheek is our only hope, not jihad.

    I don't necessarily agree with this. I think we need to take a stand for what is right.

    Consider this commentary....


    Interestingly, people who quote this verse as if it were saying there should not be a death penalty do not seem to grasp that the verse is saying there should not be any kind of retribution at all. If this verse were applied universally to the criminal justice system, it would mean no fines, no jails and not even any community service. If applied in a criminal context, it would read something like, “If someone steals one of your cars, give him the keys to your other car.” Surely even the most liberal of people do not believe that we can have a safe society if we do not enforce any laws or have any kind of penalties for breaking laws.

    Why would Christ say something like “turn the other cheek?” What did he mean? In the culture of the Bible, touching or striking someone on the cheek was an insult. It was the equivalent of calling someone a dirty name today. Jesus knew that his disciples would be insulted, and that it is a waste of time and energy to try to get “satisfaction” for an insult. So he instructed people to “turn the other cheek,” i.e., ignore insults, and by showing the other cheek, show that you are firm in your beliefs and actions even if it means you will be insulted again.
  4. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    08 Apr '17 15:33
    Originally posted by whodey
    Left wingers blame US military intervention on the jihad, and/or global warming cuz everything bad is caused by global warming, duh! They don't accept the notion that Allah is a war god with Mo as his warlord prophet and teachings, so virtually any heinous act carried out in the name of jihad will be forgiven and tolerated. No amount of terrorist carnage t ...[text shortened]... ace, sex, or religion. That's why learning to turn the other cheek is our only hope, not jihad.
    Allah is the same god Christians and Jews worship.
  5. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    08 Apr '17 15:46
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Allah is the same god Christians and Jews worship.
    I completely disagree. Our God is the God of the bible Yahweh.
  6. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    08 Apr '17 15:48
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    I completely disagree. Our God is the God of the bible Yahweh.
    Spaniards call him Deus. Anglos call him God. Jews call him Adonai.

    Arab Christians call him Allah.
  7. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    08 Apr '17 15:52
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Spaniards call him Deus. Anglos call him God. Jews call him Adonai.

    Arab Christians call him Allah.
    As the ministry of Jesus Christ and the Apostles unfolds, it is clear that Yahwey of the bible and Allah are not at all the same. They are completely different.
  8. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    08 Apr '17 15:58 / 2 edits
    https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/encyclopedia-of-the-bible/Eloah

    Eloah
    ELOAH ĕ lō’ ə (אֱלֹ֨והַ׃֙, God, sing. of Elohim, q.v.). It is used forty-one times in Job (replacing Elohim) and sixteen times elsewhere.
  9. 08 Apr '17 16:04
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    [b] That's why learning to turn the other cheek is our only hope, not jihad.

    I don't necessarily agree with this. I think we need to take a stand for what is right.

    Consider this commentary....


    Interestingly, people who quote this verse as if it were saying there should not be a death penalty do not seem to grasp that the verse is sayi ...[text shortened]... w that you are firm in your beliefs and actions even if it means you will be insulted again.[/b]
    What kind of "stand" do you suggest is taken and how will this stand contribute to preventing terrorist attacks?
  10. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    08 Apr '17 16:05 / 1 edit
    wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam

    In Islam, Isa ibn Maryam (Arabic: عيسى بن مريم‎, translit. ʿĪsā ibn Maryām, lit. 'Jesus, son of Mary'‎ ), or Jesus, is understood to be the penultimate prophet and messenger of Allah (God) and al-Masih, the Arabic term for Messiah,[1][2] the "Christ",[3] sent to guide the Children of Israel (banī isrā'īl in Arabic) with a new revelation: al-Injīl (Arabic for "the Gospel" ).
  11. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    08 Apr '17 16:39
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    https://www.biblegateway.com/resources/encyclopedia-of-the-bible/Eloah

    Eloah
    ELOAH ĕ lō’ ə (אֱלֹ֨והַ׃֙, God, sing. of Elohim, q.v.). It is used forty-one times in Job (replacing Elohim) and sixteen times elsewhere.
    Suit yourself, but if you cannot see the difference, there is nothing else I can say.
  12. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    08 Apr '17 16:42
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    What kind of "stand" do you suggest is taken and how will this stand contribute to preventing terrorist attacks?
    Vote for people who will stop illegal immigration, be alert, stay close to the Lord. There are many more ways too, like oppose leftist's like yourself, preach the good news of the bible.
  13. 08 Apr '17 21:03
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Vote for people who will stop illegal immigration, be alert, stay close to the Lord. There are many more ways too, like oppose leftist's like yourself, preach the good news of the bible.
    In what ways, specifically, will stopping illegal immigration, being (more) alert, staying "close to the Lord" and opposing "leftists" help prevent terrorist attacks?
  14. 08 Apr '17 21:06
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    In what ways, specifically, will stopping illegal immigration, being (more) alert, staying "close to the Lord" and opposing "leftists" help prevent terrorist attacks?
    Gotta start somewhere right?
  15. 08 Apr '17 21:22
    Originally posted by robbie carrobie
    Gotta start somewhere right?
    Where would you like it to end?