Originally posted by sh76
[quote]Al-Aqsa Martyrs’ Brigades, the military wing of Fatah, claimed responsibility for the couple’s murder. A spokesman for Hamas’ military wing in Gaza, welcomed the murder and said it’s a natural reaction against the “Israeli crimes,” adding ...[text shortened]... om murder of two civilian parents on front of their four children is to be extolled and praised?
This murder, like all political murders, was immoral and wrong, without qualification. Any ambiguity about this comment is not my fault - I cannot make it more clear.
sh76 often makes a genuine effort to discuss Israeli affairs in a moderate and intelligent manner but at times he descends to the most unleasant and intolerant bigotry; sadly this is one such occasion. The object of the distasteful and dishonest original post, and the thread, seems to be clearly to demonize Fatah and Hamas by caricaturing their activities as though they were apolitical, arbitrary and meaningless acts of vicious barbarity. Implicitly, such "terrorists" cannot be respected as fellow humans and implicitly, then, violent reprisals by the Israeli forces against Palestinians in the West Bank are to be expected and welcomed. On this forum, there is no shortage of voices willing to join the cackle of unthinking consent to this poisonous, hate provoking version of events.
This murder was not, however, a "random murder". The male victim was an American citizen and a rabbi and the family was driving to or from one of the illegal Jewish settlements in the West Bank. The term "civilian" is also disingenuous in this context; most of the illegal settlers are civilians, though most Israeli men do military service and have military training; most settlers are well armed and politically very active indeed in their selfish and illegal project of settlement. That is not quite what the term "civilian" would usually convey in any other context. Incidentally, in the West Bank do not Jews have different coloured number plates to Palestinians on their cars and are there not many separate roads for the settlers to use as part of the apartheid regime? How is that the behaviour of people who are described as "civilians" in this context?
If we are to understand (I did not say approve) such acts of violence we need to understand why a Palestinian political organisation would regard an American immigrant settler, a rabbi in a place filled with zionist zealots, as a legitimate target for political violence. It is useful also to understand why the Israeli government and military will regard the illegal settlers as worthy of massive support while the Palestinians of the West Bank are available and suitable targets for a disproportionate collective punishment.
We do not arrive at this understanding by means of empty rhetoric and meaningless caricature. It would be useful to reference, for example, a detailed study of the apartheid regime in the west Bank such as this report: http://www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/iopt1210webwcover_0.pdf
"This report consists of a series of case studies that compare Israel’s different treatment of Jewish settlements to nearby Palestinian communities throughout the West Bank, including East Jerusalem. It describes the two-tier system of laws, rules, and services that Israel operates for the two populations in areas in the West Bank under its exclusive control, which provide preferential services, development, and benefits for Jewish settlers while imposing harsh conditions on Palestinians. The report highlights Israeli practices the only discernable purposes of which appear to be promoting life in the settlements while in many instances stifling growth in Palestinian communities and even forcibly displacing Palestinian residents. Such different treatment, on the basis of race, ethnicity, and national origin and not narrowly tailored to meet security or other justifiable goals, violates the fundamental prohibition against discrimination under human rights law.
It is widely acknowledged that Israel’s settlements in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, violate international humanitarian law, which prohibits the occupying power from transferring its civilian population into the territories it occupies; Israel appears to be the only country to contest that its settlements are illegal. Human Rights Watch continues to agree with the nearly universal position that Israel should cease its violation of international humanitarian law by removing its citizens from the West Bank. This report focuses on the less-discussed discriminatory aspect of Israeli settlement policies, and analyzes serious and ongoing violations of other rights in that context. "
When one takes the minimal effort required to appreciate the devastating level of oppression experienced by Palestinians under Israeli occupation in the West Bank, then one naturally continues to wish the Palestinians would submit their cares to the arbitration of a just God, or Israeli law, or international law, or international opinion, or the good fairy, but one might still, without approval, understand how for some Palestinians, the one remaining option with any semblance of dignity is to resist and, for some, that might be thought to include a case for violence, not unlike the arguments used by American citizens to defend their right to bear arms against tyranny. I am non violent and argue for international law, but of course most Americans (especially on this forum) and Zionist Israelis have no respect for international law in this context or any other.
sh76 - the bigotry in your post is objectionable and beneath you.
Edit: I have been reading through the material on the Jewish Post link and my word you read some depressing trash. This is conspiracy theory and nationalistic bigotry on a big scale. The Zionist propaganda machine is just contemptible. You need to get a lilfe and read something better.