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  1. 30 Jan '17 22:30 / 2 edits
    http://observer.com/2017/01/hillary-clinton-muslim-immigration-ban-donald-trump/

    Hillary Clinton’s disastrous foreign policy perpetuated the War on Terror, spread unrest and caused military conflict in the Middle East, and her policies were often abrasive toward immigrants and refugees. However, her record didn’t stop Clinton and her former staff from capitalizing on the outrage over Trump’s recent immigration ban that targeted seven Muslim countries.

    “I stand with the people gathered across the country tonight defending our values & our Constitution. This is not who we are,” Clinton tweeted on January 28, shortly after her former Press Secretary, Brian Fallon, vaguely assigned credit to the Clinton campaign for the ACLU winning a legal challenge against Trump’s ban. Though Clinton and her campaign had nothing to do with the fight, he tweeted “The Brooklyn federal courthouse where @ACLU secured stay is literally across the street from Clinton’s former HQ. The fight goes on.” These tweets provided Clinton with coverage from several Clinton-friendly media outlets.

    In 2015, Clinton defended deporting Latin American child immigrants at a press conference: “Specifically with respect to children on the border, if you remember, we had an emergency, and it was very important to send a message to families in Central America: Do not let your children take this very dangerous journey,” she said. Her comments were attacked by immigration advocates for legitimizing family detention and ignoring the refugee status of those children.

    In 2011, Clinton’s State Department issued a six month ban on refugees from Iraq in response to a case in Kentucky where two refugees were discovered to have fought U.S. soldiers in Iraq. ABC News reported the refugee ban affected “many who had heroically helped U.S. forces as interpreters and intelligence assets. One Iraqi who had aided American troops was assassinated before his refugee application could be processed, because of the immigration delays, two U.S. officials said. In 2011, fewer than 10,000 Iraqis were resettled as refugees in the U.S., half the number from the year before, State Department statistics show.”

    During Clinton’s service as secretary of state, she led the aggressive interventionist policy toward Libya and Syria. She voted for the Iraq War and the Patriot Act (twice), pushed Obama to maintain a military presence in Iraq, and pushed to escalate war in Afghanistan. She has defended highly controversial and unethical tactics used in fighting the war on terror, including mass surveillance. Clinton strongly implied that NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden was a traitor, citing a debunked claim that China and Russia obtained Snowden’s documents, and affirming, despite evidence to the contrary, that Snowden would have received whistleblower protections under the Obama administration. Clinton’s opinions toward Chelsea Manning are just as problematic in ignoring her questionable foreign policy strategy justified by the War on Terror. A 2011 Vanity Fair article reported “Hillary told staff that she could not fathom how an army private, Bradley Manning, with psychological problems and a drag-queen boyfriend could single-handedly cause the United States unprecedented embarrassment just by labeling massive downloads as Lady Gaga songs.”

    During the 2016 presidential debates, Hillary Clinton’s responses to the War on Terror perpetuated Islamophobia and stereotypes about the Muslim community. “We need American Muslims to be part of our eyes and ears on our front lines,” Clinton said in the first and second presidential debate, elevating the stereotype that all Muslims are suspects in the War on Terror and framing Muslims in terms of national security rather than as American citizens.

    Clinton accumulated endorsements and wealthy donors with Islamophobic views. General Wesley Clark endorsed Clinton in 2007 and in 2015, with the Clinton campaign praising Clark for the endorsement. Clark has called for internment camps to be established for “disloyal” Muslims. One of Clinton’s top campaign donors, billionaire Haim Saban, argued in 2015 that profiling Muslims and surveillance “on anyone and everybody who looks suspicious,” should be acceptable.

    Hillary Clinton and establishment Democrats have been jumping on Trump’s unpopular executive orders for their own political gain. However, they have long advocated sentiments and ideology similar to Trump’s executive order.
  2. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    30 Jan '17 22:48 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://observer.com/2017/01/hillary-clinton-muslim-immigration-ban-donald-trump/

    Hillary Clinton’s disastrous foreign policy perpetuated the War on Terror, spread unrest and caused military conflict in the Middle East, and her policies were often abrasive toward immigrants and refugees. However, her record didn’t stop Clinton and her former staff from capi ...[text shortened]... n. However, they have long advocated sentiments and ideology similar to Trump’s executive order.
    "What about ........" continues to be your only defense for these types of policies.

    It only works in this case (maybe) as regards Hillary Clinton. Since AFAIK she hasn't even commented on King Donald I's illegal and unconstitutional immigration order I fail to see what is the point.

    CORRECTION: I do know what the point is, deflection, but it's not going to work.
  3. 30 Jan '17 22:58
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://observer.com/2017/01/hillary-clinton-muslim-immigration-ban-donald-trump/

    Hillary Clinton’s disastrous foreign policy perpetuated the War on Terror, spread unrest and caused military conflict in the Middle East, and her policies were often abrasive toward immigrants and refugees. However, her record didn’t stop Clinton and her former staff from capi ...[text shortened]... n. However, they have long advocated sentiments and ideology similar to Trump’s executive order.
    hey, remember that time someone did something sort of bad? that totally excuses the donald doing worse today
  4. 30 Jan '17 22:59 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    "What about ........" continues to be your only defense for these types of policies.

    It only works in this case (maybe) as regards Hillary Clinton. Since AFAIK she hasn't even commented on King Donald I's illegal and unconstitutional immigration order I fail to see what is the point.

    CORRECTION: I do know what the point is, deflection, but it's not going to work.
    I am showing that what Trump is doing is nothing new.

    In fact, here are Executive examples of banning immigration.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obama-immigration-ban-muslims/2016/06/16/id/734234/

    President Barack Obama and his five presidential predecessors have used their executive powers to temporarily ban certain immigrants — including Muslims — from entering the United States.

    According to the Washington Examiner, Obama has used his rights as president to put a halt to some immigrants from arriving here six times. This is despite his claim that presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump's call to temporarily ban Muslims from coming to the U.S. is wrong.


    The first time Obama used section 212(f) of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1952, reports the Examiner, was to stop "immigrants or nonimmigrants" from emigrating to the U.S. under a broader ban instituted by the United Nations in 2011.

    That 2011 order, reports The Daily Caller, covered "anyone under a UN travel ban; anyone who violates any of 29 executive orders regarding transactions with terrorists, those who undermine the democratic process in specific countries, or transnational criminal organizations."


    Former President George W. Bush used the executive powers six times as well, and Bill Clinton did twice, reports The Daily Caller.

    Before Clinton, George H.W. Bush, Ronald Reagan, and Jimmy Carter instituted bans using their executive powers a combined seven times.

    Trump has said for months, including this week after the Orlando terror attacks, he wants to stop Muslims from emigrating to the U.S. "until we figure out what the hell is going on."

    According to the Examiner, Obama's executive actions on stopping immigration have involved people helping Iran, Syria, and Crimea. Iran and Syria are predominately Muslim countries.

    Obama disagrees with Trump's call to ban Muslims, and said this week he still plans to resettle 10,000 Syrian refugees in America by October
  5. 30 Jan '17 23:02
    So where was the hysteria back then?
  6. Standard member vivify
    rain
    30 Jan '17 23:17
    Originally posted by whodey
    So where was the hysteria back then?
    They weren't bans on an entire religion. That's the difference. Your King Donald is targeting Muslims specifically.
  7. 30 Jan '17 23:19 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by vivify
    They weren't bans on an entire religion. That's the difference. Your King Donald is targeting Muslims specifically.
    Trump banned immigration from certain countries, not all Muslim countries were banned.

    Try again
  8. Standard member checkbaiter
    By God's Grace
    30 Jan '17 23:31
    Originally posted by whodey
    So where was the hysteria back then?
    The hysteria is manufactured because they know that repubs like McCain and Lindsey Graham will cave immediately.

    “The real choke point here and the real weak point – and I’ve mentioned it a number of times all during the campaign – the real problem Trump has here is not these protesters,” Limbaugh said Monday on his national broadcast.

    “The real problem he’s gonna have is the Republicans in Congress sticking with him. This is the kind of thing that they’ve caved to I don’t know how many times.”

    “This is the kind of uprising in the media, uprising on the left that just sends chills down the spines of the average, ordinary Washington Republican, and they cave within seconds to things like this, as [Sen. John] McCain and Lindsey Graham predictably and right on schedule have done, by coming out and saying they profoundly disagree. This has always been, as far as I’m concerned, the wild card for anything Trump does, and that is the Republican and the Republican leadership in Congress.”

    Limbaugh stressed that the protests were not spontaneous reactions to Trump’s executive order barring people from seven Muslim-majority countries from entering the U.S.

    “What all of this is about is the preordained, prearranged Democrat Party strategy of unseating Donald Trump and opposing him,” he explained.


    http://www.wnd.com/2017/01/limbaugh-trump-has-1-much-bigger-problem-than-protesters/
  9. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    30 Jan '17 23:35
    Originally posted by whodey
    I am showing that what Trump is doing is nothing new.

    In fact, here are Executive examples of banning immigration.

    http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/obama-immigration-ban-muslims/2016/06/16/id/734234/

    President Barack Obama and his five presidential predecessors have used their executive powers to temporarily ban certain immigrants — including Muslims ...[text shortened]... lims, and said this week he still plans to resettle 10,000 Syrian refugees in America by October
    Get the hell out of here with facts and stuff.
    Can't you see these poor, sensitive people have feelings and don't deserve to experience the pain of feeling contradicted, hypocritical?

    The nerve!
  10. Standard member vivify
    rain
    30 Jan '17 23:51
    Originally posted by whodey
    Trump banned immigration from certain countries, not all Muslim countries were banned.

    Try again
    Trump said during his campaign that he wants to be ban Muslims specifically. Trump banned those nations *because* they were Muslim, per his campaign promise.

    Unlike Trump, Hillary and Obama didn't target people of a certain religion. That's the difference.
  11. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    30 Jan '17 23:52
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    "What about ........" continues to be your only defense for these types of policies.

    It only works in this case (maybe) as regards Hillary Clinton. Since AFAIK she hasn't even commented on King Donald I's illegal and unconstitutional immigration order I fail to see what is the point.

    CORRECTION: I do know what the point is, deflection, but it's not going to work.
    CORRECTION: I do know what the point is, deflection, but it's not going to work.



    Now THAT'S funny!!
  12. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    30 Jan '17 23:53 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    Trump banned immigration from certain countries, not all Muslim countries were banned.

    Try again
    LMAO! A seven month old article having nothing to do with Trump's actual executive order and discussing prior orders having virtually nothing in common with the one just made (which, of course, the article's writers didn't know the details of).

    Yes, his order is even stupider, though no less illegal and unconstitutional, then one banning entry from all Muslim countries. Of course, he didn't want to upset Muslim countries where he has business dealings even though not a single death in the US has been attributable to any terrorist activity from any of the seven countries named in the EO, while all the terrorists who participated in the attack on 9/11 (which he used as a justification for the EO) came from countries not subject to the restrictions.

    And, of course, the order specifically states that preferences will be given to minority religions in those countries when determining refugee requests. Trump has repeatedly said that means Christians.
  13. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    30 Jan '17 23:55 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    The hysteria is manufactured because they know that repubs like McCain and Lindsey Graham will cave immediately.

    [b]“The real choke point here and the real weak point – and I’ve mentioned it a number of times all during the campaign – the real problem Trump has here is not these protesters,” Limbaugh said Monday on his national broadcast.

    “The real ...[text shortened]... ned.


    http://www.wnd.com/2017/01/limbaugh-trump-has-1-much-bigger-problem-than-protesters/[/b]
    “What all of this is about is the preordained, prearranged Democrat Party strategy of unseating Donald Trump and opposing him,” he explained.



    Oh, and the Republicans NEVER banded together to oppose Obama, right?? That's politics skippy. Stop sniveling, and deal with it!
  14. 31 Jan '17 00:05
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    LMAO! A seven month old article having nothing to do with Trump's actual executive order and discussing prior orders having virtually nothing in common with the one just made (which, of course, the article's writers didn't know the details of).

    Yes, his order is even stupider, though no less illegal and unconstitutional, then one banning entry from al ...[text shortened]... se countries when determining refugee requests. Trump has repeatedly said that means Christians.
    The fact is that Trump banned travel from certain countries, not Muslims

    As you point out, he has not restricted travel from Saudi Arabia. As to why you are free to speculate. Perhaps you are right.

    So the charge that it is a ban on Muslims is a lie.
  15. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    31 Jan '17 00:12
    Originally posted by whodey
    The fact is that Trump banned travel from certain countries, not Muslims

    As you point out, he has not restricted travel from Saudi Arabia. As to why you are free to speculate. Perhaps you are right.

    So the charge that it is a ban on Muslims is a lie.
    Except:

    The temporary halt to refugee processing does include exceptions for people claiming religious persecution, so long as their religion is a minority faith in their country.

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/look-trumps-executive-order-refugees-immigration-004600231--politics.html

    So it bans all Muslims from the seven Muslim-majority countries, but not members of other religions. So it isn't a ban on all travel but a ban on travel for Muslims from those countries - something that no President has ever ordered.