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  1. Zugzwang
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    11 Jun '18 03:02
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/31/republicans-rigged-democracy-democrats-fight-back

    "Republicans rigged our democracy. Here's how Democrats can fight back."
    --David Faris

    "Donald Trump wasn’t elected because Democrats lost a policy fight in 2016.
    What Democrats did was lose a procedural fight that has been going on
    since the early 1990s, when Republicans began waging a relentless, brutal,
    and completely one-sided war, systematically using their lawmaking power
    to disadvantage their adversaries in elections and political mobilization.

    Gerrymandering, the Citizens United atrocity that declared money is speech,
    blocking US supreme court nominations and obstructing legislation are some
    of the Republican party’s tactics. Depraved, racist voter ID laws that obviously
    target people who are likely to vote Democratic, and the cruel way that
    many states prevent current or former felons from voting, are others.

    Standing in the way of reforms to our nonsensical, undemocratic electoral
    college system for electing the president helps the Republicans too, as
    does ensuring the United States remains the only country in the entire world
    that holds its critical national elections on a regular working Tuesday as if
    we literally couldn’t care less who is able take off work to cast a ballot."

    "Ingenious for its time, if deeply morally deficient, the [US] constitution
    saddles the country with a series of difficult political problems. Some are
    explicit design flaws, such as the way that every state in the United States,
    whether it has 38 million or 600,000 residents, gets two and only two US
    senators, or how the entire 435-member House of Representatives is put
    up for re-election every two years, the shortest election calendar in the
    entire world. Others are crimes of omission, like the document’s relative
    silence about voting rights."

    David Faris does not worship the US Constitution as a sacred text.

    "When they retake power, Democrats should use those same flaws to
    revive not the party, but our democracy.

    First, they should grant statehood to Washington DC and Puerto Rico –
    long-suffering territories whose citizens are utterly deprived of voting
    rights and representation in federal elections. This can help rectify the
    Democrats’ structural imbalance in the US Senate. Breaking the deep-blue
    state of California into seven states can finish the job, by finally creating
    about as many blue-leaning as red-leaning states and delivering lasting
    power (or at least parity) to Senate Democrats and their allies.

    The theft of Merrick Garland’s seat by Republicans and the deepening
    intensity of congressional battles over federal judicial appointments should
    lead the next Democratic administration to pack the supreme court, by
    adding liberal justices until progressives finally have their first majority in
    a long generation, as well as creating hundreds of new judgeships in the
    federal judiciary."

    "Progressives should also get behind a change in how we elect our
    representatives to the House, enacting proportional representation
    reforms that would not only eliminate the grotesque chicanery of
    gerrymandering but also make it possible for smaller parties to finally win
    a seat at the governing table. And they should double the size of the
    House to bring the constituent-to-legislator ratio more in line with what
    the founders envisioned.

    Finally, any serious progressive governing coalition must immediately
    address our litany of voting problems, from the disenfranchisement of
    felons to the racist voter-ID laws implemented by cynical Republicans
    across the country, by passing a comprehensive new voting rights act."

    "Only by changing the rules that are currently rigged against them, while
    clinging to a set of minimal behavioral standards, will Democrats ever
    hold power long enough to truly transform American politics in a lasting
    progressive direction."

    At a time when the US system has produced President Donald Trump,
    Democrats should keep in mind that 'playing nice' will get them no bonus points.
    The Republicans believe in winning at all costs, even when it means
    bending the rules as long as they don't break too obviously.
    The Democrats should learn that much from the Republicans.
  2. Behind the scenes
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    11 Jun '18 08:521 edit
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/31/republicans-rigged-democracy-democrats-fight-back

    "Republicans rigged our democracy. Here's how Democrats can fight back."
    --David Faris

    "Donald Trump wasn’t elected because Democrats lost a policy fight in 2016.
    What Democrats did was lose a procedural fight that has been going on
    since th ...[text shortened]... g as they don't break too obviously.
    The Democrats should learn that much from the Republicans.
    At a time when the US system has produced President Donald Trump,
    Democrats should keep in mind that 'playing nice' will get them no bonus points.
    The Republicans believe in winning at all costs, even when it means bending the rules as long as they don't break too obviously. The Democrats should learn that much from the Republicans.





    Very good Duchess. I agree 100%. However, does this mean that left leaning Independent white males such as myself who vote democrat most of the time are still automatically evil racist, sexist trolls, and are therefore "the enemy", or has Donald Trump become so repulsive to you that Democratic voters such as myself are "almost" acceptable?? 😀

    Maybe Bill Clinton was right 25 years ago when he said: "getting Democrats to agree on a course of action is like herding cats"
  3. Standard membervivify
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    11 Jun '18 09:052 edits
    Originally posted by @mchill
    At a time when the US system has produced President Donald Trump,
    Democrats should keep in mind that 'playing nice' will get them no bonus points.
    The Republicans believe in winning at all costs, even when it means bending the rules as long as they don't break too obviously. The Democrats should learn that much from the Republicans.
    That's not a good mindset. Democrats are the more reasonable party now, but remember, they once aligned with the KKK and helped push Jim Crow laws. Republicans and Democrats have reversed positions since then, but you never know how they could change in the future.

    Don't put your trust in a party. Focus more on good leaders, Republican or Democrat, who recognize we live in a broken system, and will instead fix it rather than rig the system in favor of their party. Ron Paul was such a man from the Republicans, as well as Bernie Sanders, an independent who aligned with Democrats.
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    11 Jun '18 11:111 edit
    Originally posted by @vivify
    That's not a good mindset. Democrats are the more reasonable party now, but remember, they once aligned with the KKK and helped push Jim Crow laws. Republicans and Democrats have reversed positions since then, but you never know how they could change in the future.

    Don't put your trust in a party. Focus more on good leaders, Republican or Democrat, who ...[text shortened]... man from the Republicans, as well as Bernie Sanders, an independent who aligned with Democrats.
    3 very well-reasoned posts.

    I recall how a conservative once scolded me, his southern accent barely discernible; "the only thing down the middle of the road... is a yellow line!" He was so clever!

    Undoubtedly, reforms must be made to our unworkable two-party political process.
    The uncompromising entrenchment of both pit bulls, in this dogmatic death match, is destined to provide the world with the ultimate reality TV series: The Second American Civil War.

    I do believe cooler heads will eventually prevail...but...then again: So did Abraham Lincoln.
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    11 Jun '18 11:451 edit
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/31/republicans-rigged-democracy-democrats-fight-back

    "Republicans rigged our democracy. Here's how Democrats can fight back."
    --David Faris

    "Donald Trump wasn’t elected because Democrats lost a policy fight in 2016.
    What Democrats did was lose a procedural fight that has been going on
    since th ...[text shortened]... g as they don't break too obviously.
    The Democrats should learn that much from the Republicans.
    show me a ghetto...I'll show you democratic leadership!
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    11 Jun '18 12:04
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    [b]show me a ghetto...I'll show you democratic leadership![/b]
    Show me a ghetto and I'll show you human potential.
    But show you a ghetto...and there's opportunity...witheld.
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    11 Jun '18 13:541 edit
    Originally posted by @mchill
    At a time when the US system has produced President Donald Trump,
    Democrats should keep in mind that 'playing nice' will get them no bonus points.
    The Republicans believe in winning at all costs, even when it means bending the rules as long as they don't break too obviously. The Democrats should learn that much from the Republicans.





    Very good ...[text shortened]... years ago when he said: "getting Democrats to agree on a course of action is like herding cats"
    Playing nice?

    So conservatives come on this sight, ever since it started, and have to endure a never ending spew of hate and bile and personal attacks and conservatives get shouted down across the country and censored on social media and you talk about Dims playing nice?

    Hilarious.
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    11 Jun '18 14:22
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Playing nice?

    So conservatives come on this sight, ever since it started, and have to endure a never ending spew of hate and bile and personal attacks and conservatives get shouted down across the country and censored on social media and you talk about Dims playing nice?

    Hilarious.
    I disagree.

    The majority of "hate and bile" in these forums comes from frustrated conservatives who discover that their little logic-satchels lack sufficient ammunition.
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    11 Jun '18 14:25
    Originally posted by @wolfe63
    I disagree.

    The majority of "hate and bile" in these forums comes from frustrated conservatives who discover that their little logic-satchels lack sufficient ammunition.
    Well the person that started this thread leads these hateful attacks, something you have agreed with in the past.

    Let me know when you are ready to be truthful.
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    11 Jun '18 14:332 edits
    Originally posted by @wolfe63
    3 very well-reasoned posts.

    I recall how a conservative once scolded me, his southern accent barely discernible; "the only thing down the middle of the road... is a yellow line!" He was so clever!

    Undoubtedly, reforms must be made to our unworkable two-party political process.
    The uncompromising entrenchment of both pit bulls, in this dogmatic death ...[text shortened]...

    I do believe cooler heads will eventually prevail...but...then again: So did Abraham Lincoln.
    This reminds me when my former far-right conservative pastor and his congregation attempted to scold me in Bible study before church that I was going to hell and sitting on the fence since I voted for Obama. LOL, doubt they will ever attempt to do that to someone again. They're nothing but Worthless POS to God and America and I told them so and backed it up with scriptures. They were left speech-less as my wife and I left never to return. 🙂
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    11 Jun '18 14:34
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Well the person that started this thread leads these hateful attacks, something you have agreed with in the past.

    Let me know when you are ready to be truthful.
    As an American patriot and veteran: When she attacks my country, as she frequently does, I will oppose her. Because she exaggerates and is often wrong.

    But I admit, the USA is far from perfect...and attitudes like yours are, in large part, the problem.

    When she speaks objectively...I will agree with her.
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    11 Jun '18 14:58
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    [b]show me a ghetto...I'll show you democratic leadership![/b]
    In wealthy European countries, there are essentially no ghettos or slums. Should U.S. politicians implement similar sort of policies that lead to the disappearance of slums in wealthy European countries?
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    11 Jun '18 15:13
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/mar/31/republicans-rigged-democracy-democrats-fight-back

    "Republicans rigged our democracy. Here's how Democrats can fight back."
    --David Faris

    "Donald Trump wasn’t elected because Democrats lost a policy fight in 2016.
    What Democrats did was lose a procedural fight that has been going on
    since th ...[text shortened]... g as they don't break too obviously.
    The Democrats should learn that much from the Republicans.
    Trying honesty would be a great start.
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    11 Jun '18 15:161 edit
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    In wealthy European countries, there are essentially no ghettos or slums. Should U.S. politicians implement similar sort of policies that lead to the disappearance of slums in wealthy European countries?
    ummm…

    "More than 30 million people live in Europe’s urban slums. They often have little or no access to water or electricity. Dwellers range from members of ethnic minorities to victims of the financial crisis."

    http://www.dw.com/en/inside-europes-slums/a-18011677
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    11 Jun '18 15:331 edit
    Originally posted by @wolfe63
    As an American patriot and veteran: When she attacks my country, as she frequently does, I will oppose her. Because she exaggerates and is often wrong.

    But I admit, the USA is far from perfect...and attitudes like yours are, in large part, the problem.

    When she speaks objectively...I will agree with her.
    So you admit that Duchy spews bile here which you just previously said does not happen.

    What a horrible dodge and flat out lie.
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