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  1. 30 Mar '16 22:45 / 2 edits
    If you had on your hands a country that is full of happy and law abiding people, what could you do to create the need for a police state?

    This of course assumes that you belong to a ruling group and wanted more control over the citizens of your happy country.
  2. 31 Mar '16 00:39 / 1 edit
    What would you do to create a police state? You would create the need for a police state.

    1. Remove morality from schools and from society at large. Continually feed the populace images of violence, sex, and other vices. Create a prison like atmosphere in society so that the only alternative is to build a wall around them and guards to monitor them in order to try and maintain a civil society.

    2. Remove any and all traditions from society that has kept it cohesive over the years. Create a two party political system that seems to be diametrically opposed to each other and motivate citizens to fight each other and hate each other.

    3. Create a massive influx of immigrants who can immediately change the socioeconomic climate of the country, creating confusion, rage, and fear among the citizens.

    4. Kill the economy. A declining economy will create a greater sense of desperation with less inhibitions in conducting in a lawless manner. At the same time, it will create a dependent populace who would feel as though they would die if it were not for the states welfare system.

    5. Destroy education. Prevent the populace from obtaining a viable education so as to further kill the economy and disable the citizens from using critical thinking skills from finding solutions and, God forbid, use their education to create wealth that would give them the power not to be dependent upon the state and who might even challenge the power of the state with their wealth and knowledge.

    In other words, another 8 more years of Obama.
  3. 31 Mar '16 01:57 / 2 edits
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-30/depressing-survey-results-show-how-extremely-stupid-america-has-become

    Here is a good article about the dumbing down of America

    Ten years ago, a major Hollywood film entitled “Idiocracy” was released, and it was an excellent metaphor for what would happen to America over the course of the next decade. In the movie, an “average American” wakes up 500 years in the future only to discover that he is the most intelligent person by far in the “dumbed down” society that he suddenly finds himself in.

    Sadly, I truly believe that if people of average intellect from the 1950s and 1960s were transported to 2016, they would likely be considered mental giants compared to the rest of us. We have a country where criminals are being paid $1000 a month not to shoot people, and the highest paid public employee in more than half the states is a football coach. Hardly anyone takes time to read a book anymore, and yet the average American spends 302 minutes a day watching television. 75 percent of our young adults cannot find Israel on a map of the Middle East, but they sure know how to find smut on the Internet.

    What in the world has happened to us? How is it possible that we have become so stupid? According to a brand new report that was recently released, almost 10 percent of our college graduates believe that Judge Judy is on the Supreme Court…






    The American Council of Trustees and Alumni publishes occasional reports on what college students know.

    Nearly 10 percent of the college graduates surveyed thought Judith Sheindlin, TV’s “Judge Judy,” is a member of the U.S. Supreme Court. Less than 20 percent of the college graduates knew the effect of the Emancipation Proclamation. More than a quarter of the college graduates did not know Franklin D. Roosevelt was president during World War II; one-third did not know he was the president who spearheaded the New Deal.

    It can be tempting to laugh at numbers like these until you realize that survey after survey has come up with similar results.



    Just consider what Newsweek found a few years ago…






    When NEWSWEEK recently asked 1,000 U.S. citizens to take America’s official citizenship test, 29 percent couldn’t name the vice president. Seventy-three percent couldn’t correctly say why we fought the Cold War. Forty-four percent were unable to define the Bill of Rights. And 6 percent couldn’t even circle Independence Day on a calendar.

    Even worse were the extremely depressing results of a study conducted a few years ago by Common Core…

    *Only 43 percent of all U.S. high school students knew that the Civil War was fought some time between 1850 and 1900.

    *More than a quarter of all U.S. high school students thought that Christopher Columbus made his famous voyage across the Atlantic Ocean after the year 1750.

    *Approximately a third of all U.S. high school students did not know that the Bill of Rights guarantees freedom of speech and freedom of religion.

    *Only 60 percent of all U.S. students knew that World War I was fought some time between 1900 and 1950.

    Of course survey results can be skewed, and much hinges on how the questions are asked.

    However, even studies that are scientifically conducted confirm how stupid America has become. In fact, a report from the Educational Testing Service found that Americans are falling way behind much of the rest of the industrialized world. The following comes from CBS News…






    Americans born after 1980 are lagging their peers in countries ranging from Australia to Estonia, according to a new report from researchers at the Educational Testing Service (ETS). The study looked at scores for literacy and numeracy from a test called the Program for the International Assessment of Adult Competencies, which tested the abilities of people in 22 countries.



    The results are sobering, with dire implications for America. It hints that students may be falling behind not only in their early educational years but at the college level. Even though more Americans between the ages of 20 to 34 are achieving higher levels of education, they’re still falling behind their cohorts in other countries. In Japan, Finland and the Netherlands, young adults with only a high school degree scored on par with American Millennials holding four-year college degrees, the report said.

    Out of 22 countries that were part of the study, the Educational Testing Service found that Americans were dead last in tech proficiency, dead last in numeracy and only two countries performed worse than us when it came to literacy proficiency…






    Half of American Millennials score below the minimum standard of literacy proficiency. Only two countries scored worse by that measure: Italy (60 percent) and Spain (59 percent). The results were even worse for numeracy, with almost two-thirds of American Millennials failing to meet the minimum standard for understanding and working with numbers. That placed U.S. Millennials dead last for numeracy among the study’s 22 developed countries.

    So why has this happened?

    Why have we become such an extremely stupid nation?

    Well, at least a portion of the blame must be directed at our system of education. The following is an excerpt from an article written by reporter Mark Morford. In this article, he shared how one of his friends which had served for a very long time as a high school teacher in Oakland, California was considering moving out of the country when he retired due to the relentless “dumb-ification of the American brain”…






    It’s gotten so bad that, as my friend nears retirement, he says he is very seriously considering moving out of the country so as to escape what he sees will be the surefire collapse of functioning American society in the next handful of years due to the absolutely irrefutable destruction, the shocking — and nearly hopeless — dumb-ification of the American brain. It is just that bad.



    Now, you may think he’s merely a curmudgeon, a tired old teacher who stopped caring long ago. Not true. Teaching is his life. He says he loves his students, loves education and learning and watching young minds awaken. Problem is, he is seeing much less of it.

    And of course things don’t get much better when it comes to our college students. In a previous article, I shared some statistics from USA Today about the rapidly declining state of college education in the United States…

    -“After two years in college, 45% of students showed no significant gains in learning; after four years, 36% showed little change.”

    -“Students also spent 50% less time studying compared with students a few decades ago”

    -“35% of students report spending five or fewer hours per week studying alone.”

    -“50% said they never took a class in a typical semester where they wrote more than 20 pages”

    -“32% never took a course in a typical semester where they read more than 40 pages per week.”

    I spent eight years studying at some of the finest public universities in the country, and I can tell you from personal experience that even our most challenging college courses have been pathetically dumbed down.

    And at our “less than finest” public universities, the level of education can be something of a bad joke. In another previous article, I shared some examples of actual courses that have been taught at U.S. universities in recent years…

    -“What If Harry Potter Is Real?”

    -“Lady Gaga and the Sociology of Fame”

    -“Philosophy And Star Trek”

    -“Learning From YouTube”

    -“How To Watch Television”

    Could you imagine getting actual college credit for a course entitled “What If Harry Potter Is Real?”

    This is why many of our college graduates can barely put two sentences together. They aren’t being challenged, and the quality of the education most of them are receiving is incredibly poor.

    But even though they aren’t being challenged, students are taking longer to get through college than ever. Federal statistics reveal that only 36 percent of all full-time students receive a bachelor’s degree within four years, and only 77 percent of all full-time students have earned a bachelor’s degree by the end of six years.

    Of course our system of education is not entirely to blame. The truth is that young Americans spend far more time consuming media than they do hitting the books, and what passes for “entertainment” these days is rapidly turning their brains to mush.

    According to a report put out by Nielsen, this is how much time the average American spends consuming media on various devices each day…

    Watching live television: 4 hours, 32 minutes

    Watching time-shifted television: 30 minutes

    Listening to the radio: 2 hours, 44 minutes

    Using a smartphone: 1 hour, 33 minutes

    Using Internet on a computer: 1 hour, 6 minutes

    When you add it all up, the average American spends more than 10 hours a day plugged into some form of media.

    And if you allow anyone to pump “programming” into your mind for 10 hours a day, it is going to have a dramatic impact.

    In the end, I truly believe that we all greatly underestimate the influence that the mainstream media has on all of us. We willingly plug into “the Matrix” for endless hours, but then somehow we still expect “to think for ourselves”.

    There are very few of us that can say that we have not been exposed to thousands upon thousands of hours of conditioning. And all of that garbage can make it very, very difficult to think clearly.

    It is not because of a lack of input that we have become so stupid as a society. The big problem is what we are putting into our minds.

    If we continue to put garbage in, we are going to continue to get garbage out, and that is the cold, hard reality of the matter
  4. Standard member vivify
    rain
    31 Mar '16 02:48
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-03-30/depressing-survey-results-show-how-extremely-stupid-america-has-become

    Here is a good article about the dumbing down of America

    Ten years ago, a major Hollywood film entitled “Idiocracy” was released, and it was an excellent metaphor for what would happen to America over the course of the next decade. In the mov ...[text shortened]... n, we are going to continue to get garbage out, and that is the cold, hard reality of the matter
    You forgot to mention creationists and climate-change deniers for "dumbing down" America.
  5. 31 Mar '16 04:09
    Originally posted by vivify
    You forgot to mention creationists and climate-change deniers for "dumbing down" America.
    I blame the Republicans starting with Reagan. Now with Trump they are beginning to see they overdid it!
  6. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    31 Mar '16 04:13 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Eladar
    If you had on your hands a country that is full of happy and law abiding people, what could you do to create the need for a police state?

    This of course assumes that you belong to a ruling group and wanted more control over the citizens of your happy country.
    Create poverty through job insecurity.
    Create fear (select an easily recognisable enemy and use it to scare the population who are already becoming insecure, because of financial hardships).

    Then impliment laws to 'keep people safe'.
    And then create various policing mechanisms which run a parallel to each other, but also keep each other in check and all answer to the same central authority.

    It's very easily done.
    Isn't the film 'the wave' about a teacher who does something like this with his class?
  7. 31 Mar '16 04:16
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    Create poverty through job insecurity.
    Create fear (select an easily recognisable enemy and use it to scare the population who are already becoming insecure, because of financial hardships).

    Then impliment laws to 'keep people safe'.

    It's very easily done.
    Isn't the film 'the wave' about a teacher who does something like this with his class?
    Yes, now you are getting the hang of it Shav.

    Create/allow terror and they will be begging for safety.

    They will then trade their freedom for safety.
  8. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    31 Mar '16 04:26
    Originally posted by whodey
    Yes, now you are getting the hang of it Shav.
    You do realise that your narcissistic flap-out there makes you look like an arrogant retard, don't you?
  9. 31 Mar '16 08:34
    Originally posted by whodey
    What would you do to create a police state? You would create the need for a police state.

    1. Remove morality from schools and from society at large. Continually feed the populace images of violence, sex, and other vices. Create a prison like atmosphere in society so that the only alternative is to build a wall around them and guards to monitor them in ...[text shortened]... the state with their wealth and knowledge.

    In other words, another 8 more years of Obama.
    you have no idea what a police state is
  10. 31 Mar '16 09:10
    Originally posted by Eladar
    If you had on your hands a country that is full of happy and law abiding people, what could you do to create the need for a police state?

    This of course assumes that you belong to a ruling group and wanted more control over the citizens of your happy country.
    Step 1: Encourage a gun culture.,
    Step 2: Give army surplus to the police and require that they use it in a given time period or you are taking it back.
    Step 3: Sit back and watch.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1033_program

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us/war-gear-flows-to-police-departments.html
  11. 31 Mar '16 11:31
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Step 1: Encourage a gun culture.,
    Step 2: Give army surplus to the police and require that they use it in a given time period or you are taking it back.
    Step 3: Sit back and watch.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1033_program

    http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/09/us/war-gear-flows-to-police-departments.html
    Until recently, guns were not an issue within the US. However, once morality was stripped from society and replaced with Marxist secular humanism, all that matters to people is money. That helped precipitate the drug culture and amoral nature of corporate America that worships the almighty dollar.

    So the moral of the story is, an amoral culture is incapable of freedom. You may as well arm convicts behind bars.
  12. 31 Mar '16 11:34
    Originally posted by JS357
    I blame the Republicans starting with Reagan. Now with Trump they are beginning to see they overdid it!
    And how long with the Dims blame Reagan? My guess is they will never stop.

    It reminds me of a friend I have who always blamed all his problems on his wife. They have been separated now for 5 years and he still blames her for everything.

    With Reagan, he has been dead for how long? I know, I know, the damage he did was permanent and unfixable. Blah, blah, blah.
  13. 31 Mar '16 11:36
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    you have no idea what a police state is
    What we have now are the seeds for a police state. If we continue down this road it is inevitable.
  14. 31 Mar '16 11:37
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    You do realise that your narcissistic flap-out there makes you look like an arrogant retard, don't you?
    Well I'm not as enlightened as those running the country, that's for sure.
  15. 31 Mar '16 11:38
    Originally posted by vivify
    You forgot to mention creationists and climate-change deniers for "dumbing down" America.
    So why do you think that is?

    Do you blame Reagan?