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    "Critics" is a nice word for people attacking him. They freaking compared him to Hitler!

    Video description:
    "After surviving the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Hogg and his classmates became vocal activists in the fight for gun control. But that spotlight has made them prime targets for the right-wing smear machine: a collection of Fox News hosts like Laura Ingraham, conservative pundits, conspiracy theorists like Alex Jones, Twitter provocateurs, and YouTube commentators who piled on to the teens in the wake of the shooting.

    Rather than crumbling under the pressure, they're using humor and advertiser pressure to keep their cause in the media spotlight while disarming their critics. In the face of intense media attention, the Parkland students are putting on a masterclass in how to deal with bullies."
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    21 Apr '18 11:15
    Originally posted by @zahlanzi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyUNWpne9CE
    "Critics" is a nice word for people attacking him. They freaking compared him to Hitler!

    Video description:
    "After surviving the mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, Hogg and his classmates became vocal activists in the fight for gun control. But that spotlight has made them prime targets ...[text shortened]... edia attention, the Parkland students are putting on a masterclass in how to deal with bullies."
    Yeah, he's a survivor.
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    https://bigleaguepolitics.com/mother-exploited-shooting-survivor-turns-cnn-vip-anti-trump-activist/
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    21 Apr '18 23:14
    Originally posted by @freakykbh
    Yeah, he's a survivor.
    And a "crisis actor", I suppose?

    Hmmmm, Alex?
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    22 Apr '18 01:05
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    And a "crisis actor", I suppose?

    Hmmmm, Alex?
    Do your research.
    He thinks he's gaining, but he's really being used.
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    22 Apr '18 04:50
    Why aren’t the Parkland students angry at the FBI and local law enforcement who were repeatedly warned about the shooter beforehand and totally dropped the ball?
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    22 Apr '18 11:381 edit
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    Why aren’t the Parkland students angry at the FBI and local law enforcement who were repeatedly warned about the shooter beforehand and totally dropped the ball?
    because they are smarter than you and understand that while the FBI might have, barely and a big maybe, prevented the parkland shooting, stricter gun control laws would help with future mass shootings, would reduce homicides and suicides by gun, increase police officer safety thus leading to fewer twitchy cops shooting unarmed citizens.

    all for the small price of inconveniencing a few gun nut rednecks who would have to wait a while before purchasing their fifth gun.

    of course, you would rather whine that an overworked fbi chain of workers didn't properly act on one of the thousands of calls they get rather than acknowledge the simple fact that ar-15's and all its variants have no place being in the hands of civilians.
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    23 Apr '18 10:12
    It's an interesting tactic: hold up the absolutely most vile and ridiculous things that people have memed about David Hogg, 98% of the time totally tongue in cheek and doing so for the lulz, and talk abotu David Hogg overcoming all this, when, of course, he has been cheered on relentlessly and is facing the normal levels of general criticism that come with holding a poltiical view.

    Perhaps even less considering how controversial of a viewpoint it is.

    This is fluff at best, propaganda at worst.
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    23 Apr '18 10:19
    Originally posted by @zahlanzi
    because they are smarter than you and understand that while the FBI might have, barely and a big maybe, prevented the parkland shooting, stricter gun control laws would help with future mass shootings, would reduce homicides and suicides by gun, increase police officer safety thus leading to fewer twitchy cops shooting unarmed citizens.

    all for the sma ...[text shortened]... the simple fact that ar-15's and all its variants have no place being in the hands of civilians.
    Here, educate yourself on how many law enforcement agencies dropped the ball and how many times they dropped it:

    https://www.npr.org/2018/02/28/589502906/a-clearer-picture-of-parkland-shooting-suspect-comes-into-focus
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    23 Apr '18 10:33
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    It's an interesting tactic: hold up the absolutely most vile and ridiculous things that people have memed about David Hogg, 98% of the time totally tongue in cheek and doing so for the lulz, and talk abotu David Hogg overcoming all this, when, of course, he has been cheered on relentlessly and is facing the normal levels of general criticism that ...[text shortened]... sidering how controversial of a viewpoint it is.

    This is fluff at best, propaganda at worst.
    Because he's a survivor.

    Seriously.
    Think about the bravery of him recording the political message he and his friends defiantly sent out from the untenable 'safehold' of the classroom hours before the shooting: that's planning ahead!
    And then when the actual drill, er, shooting was going on--- in which real, live people were being killed by trained military personnel in full regalia and face masks--- they reunited and again told the world how adamant they felt about sensible gun control.
    While the shooting was taking place!

    That's how survivors roll!
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    23 Apr '18 11:08
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    It's an interesting tactic: hold up the absolutely most vile and ridiculous things that people have memed about David Hogg, 98% of the time totally tongue in cheek and doing so for the lulz, and talk abotu David Hogg overcoming all this, when, of course, he has been cheered on relentlessly and is facing the normal levels of general criticism that ...[text shortened]... sidering how controversial of a viewpoint it is.

    This is fluff at best, propaganda at worst.
    So, the point you're trying to make, as much as i gather from the idea soup you posted, is that what David Hogg did was something anyone could do? That the sponsors that dropped Laura Ingraham did so completely out of the blue? That he and other students behind this movement just stumble into organizing marches nationwide, getting fox news anchors to apologize publicly (after crapping their pants they are going to lose their sponsors) and getting lawmakers finally doing something, anything? That he doesn't deserve credit dealing with being compared to freakin hitler and threats (death and otherwise) because ... reasons? They were done in jest?

    The conservative yahoos are in uproar over the Starbucks red cup but comparing a young man protesting (as is his fukin right) peacefully to hitler is a joke?

    Your post is stupid at best, stupid at worst.
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    23 Apr '18 11:29
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    Here, educate yourself on how many law enforcement agencies dropped the ball and how many times they dropped it:

    https://www.npr.org/2018/02/28/589502906/a-clearer-picture-of-parkland-shooting-suspect-comes-into-focus
    so your beef is not how easy it is to buy an AR-15 and a butload of ammo, just how, in this particular case, the law enforcement agencies failed to convict a troubled minor several times of a felony, forgetting the fact that many mass shooters do not have prior convictions, the fact that other states do allow the sale of guns to a felon, how easy it is to transport guns over state lines, how Cruz could have simply asked someone else to buy that rifle (Florida or otherwise) and then sell it to him which many states allow with just the provision that the seller doesn't have a reasonable suspicion the buyer is a felon or intends to commit a crime.

    Your beef is not with the numerous ways in which Cruz could have gotten a weapon. Just with how police officers didn't made a convicted felon out of someone who, at the time, was a minor. Because that could have closed one of the tens of ways to get an assault rifle and thus, in your eyes, prevented the Parkland shooting.

    Smart.
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    23 Apr '18 13:00
    Originally posted by @zahlanzi
    so your beef is not how easy it is to buy an AR-15 and a butload of ammo, just how, in this particular case, the law enforcement agencies failed to convict a troubled minor several times of a felony, forgetting the fact that many mass shooters do not have prior convictions, the fact that other states do allow the sale of guns to a felon, how easy it is to ...[text shortened]... ways to get an assault rifle and thus, in your eyes, prevented the Parkland shooting.

    Smart.
    And you think banning assault rifles is going to magically make them all go up in smoke?

    Or maybe you think banning assault rifles will cause criminals to say, “Gosh darn it, they banned them. Guess we gotta turn ‘em all in. Wait a minute. We’re criminals. We don’t have to obey the law.”

    For the record, I have no problem with banning more weapons, but let’s not ignore that law enforcement dropped the ball in this case and dropped it numerous times. Why are they immune from criticism? And as a short-term solution, it makes sense to have armed guards at schools (school resource officers are in some schools but I don’t know what percentage) or teachers who are trained in the use of a handgun.
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    23 Apr '18 13:04
    Originally posted by @zahlanzi
    So, the point you're trying to make, as much as i gather from the idea soup you posted, is that what David Hogg did was something anyone could do? That the sponsors that dropped Laura Ingraham did so completely out of the blue? That he and other students behind this movement just stumble into organizing marches nationwide, getting fox news anchors to apol ...[text shortened]... fukin right) peacefully to hitler is a joke?

    Your post is stupid at best, stupid at worst.
    Hogg seems like a glory hound and the fact he’s achieving fame on the backs of his dead classmates is a disgrace. From what I read, he only went after Laura Ingraham after she mocked him not getting into the top colleges he applied to, First Amendment be damned.

    He’s a nasty piece of work.
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    23 Apr '18 14:08
    Originally posted by @romans1009
    And you think banning assault rifles is going to magically make them all go up in smoke?

    Or maybe you think banning assault rifles will cause criminals to say, “Gosh darn it, they banned them. Guess we gotta turn ‘em all in. Wait a minute. We’re criminals. We don’t have to obey the law.”

    For the record, I have no problem with banning more weapons, ...[text shortened]... e schools but I don’t know what percentage) or teachers who are trained in the use of a handgun.
    "And you think banning assault rifles is going to magically make them all go up in smoke?"
    nope, but instead of 2000 dollars it would cost 20 000.

    "Or maybe you think banning assault rifles will cause criminals to say, “Gosh darn it, they banned them. Guess we gotta turn ‘em all in. Wait a minute. We’re criminals. We don’t have to obey the law.”"
    nope, but it would cause mass shooters, not known for their incredible intelligence, go through a few hoops more to get one. To save more money to get one and most likely quite less ammo. To allow monitoring agencies more opportunities to catch black market arms dealers and buyers.

    Yes, this same argument is used on every other aspect of society, right? Just because something can't be eliminated 100% there is no use regulating it? No point having child pornography laws, drug laws, murder laws? Child pornography enthusiasts would find a way to buy it so what's the point in outlawing it you say.


    "For the record, I have no problem with banning more weapons, but let’s not ignore that law enforcement dropped the ball in this case and dropped it numerous times."
    they are not immune to criticism. Everyone is criticizing them. While asking for stricter gun laws. One doesn't exclude the other.


    "And as a short-term solution, it makes sense to have armed guards at schools"
    Yes, this short term solution has been around for how many years now? How has that worked out so far? Nevermind the fact that children shouldn't attend what is basically a boot camp, nevermind that armed guards are a huge negative impact on students belonging to minorities. Mass shootings keep happening, not only in schools, but also in churches, malls, abortion clinics, clubs, everywhere else. What sort of society do you want to build, how long is "short-term" to you and doesn't "short-term solution" imply a long-term solution is being worked on? American law makers have relaxed gun laws, not toughened them. None of the loopholes are being closed. Mass shootings keep on happening.


    An easy thought experiment:
    A mass shooting occurs at a school. Two "good guys with guns" get out of their classroom or maybe they are janitors or armed guards and they meet in the corridor, how do they know the other is a good guy? If 20% of teachers (like the brilliant Trump suggested) have guns and they all meet in the hallway, how do they know one of them didn't have a bad day and decided to come to school and shoot up everyone? When police arrives on the scene and they see those good guys with guns, how do they know who to shoot? How well trained must those teachers and armed security guards be compared to police officers who have the accuracy rating they have?

    Arming teachers is a horrible idea and its sole purpose is to delay doing the one thing that works and has been proven to work.
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