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    The Heritage Foundation has come up with a huge list of government waste.

    1.The federal government made at least $72 billion in improper payments in 2008.[1]
    2.Washington spends $92 billion on corporate welfare (excluding TARP) versus $71 billion on homeland security.[2]
    3.Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties.[3]
    4.Government auditors spent the past five years examining all federal programs and found that 22 percent of them -- costing taxpayers a total of $123 billion annually -- fail to show any positive impact on the populations they serve.[4]
    5.The Congressional Budget Office published a "Budget Options" series identifying more than $100 billion in potential spending cuts.[5]
    6.Examples from multiple Government Accountability Office (GAO) reports of wasteful duplication include 342 economic development programs; 130 programs serving the disabled; 130 programs serving at-risk youth; 90 early childhood development programs; 75 programs funding international education, cultural, and training exchange activities; and 72 safe water programs.[6]
    7.Washington will spend $2.6 million training Chinese prostitutes to drink more responsibly on the job.[7]
    8.A GAO audit classified nearly half of all purchases on government credit cards as improper, fraudulent, or embezzled. Examples of taxpayer-funded purchases include gambling, mortgage payments, liquor, lingerie, iPods, Xboxes, jewelry, Internet dating services, and Hawaiian vacations. In one extraordinary example, the Postal Service spent $13,500 on one dinner at a Ruth's Chris Steakhouse, including "over 200 appetizers and over $3,000 of alcohol, including more than 40 bottles of wine costing more than $50 each and brand-name liquor such as Courvoisier, Belvedere and Johnny Walker Gold." The 81 guests consumed an average of $167 worth of food and drink apiece.[8]
    9.Federal agencies are delinquent on nearly 20 percent of employee travel charge cards, costing taxpayers hundreds of millions of dollars annually.[9]
    10.The Securities and Exchange Commission spent $3.9 million rearranging desks and offices at its Washington, D.C., headquarters.[10]
    11.The Pentagon recently spent $998,798 shipping two 19-cent washers from South Carolina to Texas and $293,451 sending an 89-cent washer from South Carolina to Florida.[11]
    12.Over half of all farm subsidies go to commercial farms, which report average household incomes of $200,000.[12]
    13.Health care fraud is estimated to cost taxpayers more than $60 billion annually.[13]
    14.A GAO audit found that 95 Pentagon weapons systems suffered from a combined $295 billion in cost overruns.[14]
    15.The refusal of many federal employees to fly coach costs taxpayers $146 million annually in flight upgrades.[15]
    16.Washington will spend $126 million in 2009 to enhance the Kennedy family legacy in Massachusetts. Additionally, Senator John Kerry (D-MA) diverted $20 million from the 2010 defense budget to subsidize a new Edward M. Kennedy Institute.[16]
    17.Federal investigators have launched more than 20 criminal fraud investigations related to the TARP financial bailout.[17]
    18.Despite trillion-dollar deficits, last year's 10,160 earmarks included $200,000 for a tattoo removal program in Mission Hills, California; $190,000 for the Buffalo Bill Historical Center in Cody, Wyoming; and $75,000 for the Totally Teen Zone in Albany, Georgia.[18]
    19.The federal government owns more than 50,000 vacant homes.[19]
    20.The Federal Communications Commission spent $350,000 to sponsor NASCAR driver David Gilliland.[20]
    21.Members of Congress have spent hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars supplying their offices with popcorn machines, plasma televisions, DVD equipment, ionic air fresheners, camcorders, and signature machines -- plus $24,730 leasing a Lexus, $1,434 on a digital camera, and $84,000 on personalized calendars.[21]
    22.More than $13 billion in Iraq aid has been classified as wasted or stolen. Another $7.8 billion cannot be accounted for.[22]
    23.Fraud related to Hurricane Katrina spending is estimated to top $2 billion. In addition, debit cards provided to hurricane victims were used to pay for Caribbean vacations, NFL tickets, Dom Perignon champagne, "Girls Gone Wild" videos, and at least one sex change operation.[23]
    24.Auditors discovered that 900,000 of the 2.5 million recipients of emergency Katrina assistance provided false names, addresses, or Social Security numbers or submitted multiple applications.[24]
    25.Congress recently gave Alaska Airlines $500,000 to paint a Chinook salmon on a Boeing 737.[25]
    26.The Transportation Department will subsidize up to $2,000 per flight for direct flights between Washington, D.C., and the small hometown of Congressman Hal Rogers (R-KY) -- but only on Monday mornings and Friday evenings, when lawmakers, staff, and lobbyists usually fly. Rogers is a member of the Appropriations Committee, which writes the Transportation Department's budget.[26]
    27.Washington has spent $3 billion re-sanding beaches -- even as this new sand washes back into the ocean.[27]
    28.A Department of Agriculture report concedes that much of the $2.5 billion in "stimulus" funding for broadband Internet will be wasted.[28]
    29.The Defense Department wasted $100 million on unused flight tickets and never bothered to collect refunds even though the tickets were refundable.[29]
    30.Washington spends $60,000 per hour shooting Air Force One photo-ops in front of national landmarks.[30]
    31.Over one recent 18-month period, Air Force and Navy personnel used government-funded credit cards to charge at least $102,400 on admission to entertainment events, $48,250 on gambling, $69,300 on cruises, and $73,950 on exotic dance clubs and prostitutes.[31]
    32.Members of Congress are set to pay themselves $90 million to increase their franked mailings for the 2010 election year.[32]
    33.Congress has ignored efficiency recommendations from the Department of Health and Human Services that would save $9 billion annually.[33]
    34.Taxpayers are funding paintings of high-ranking government officials at a cost of up to $50,000 apiece.[34]
    35.The state of Washington sent $1 food stamp checks to 250,000 households in order to raise state caseload figures and trigger $43 million in additional federal funds.[35]
    36.Suburban families are receiving large farm subsidies for the grass in their backyards -- subsidies that many of these families never requested and do not want. [36]
    37.Congress appropriated $20 million for "commemoration of success" celebrations related to Iraq and Afghanistan.[37]
    38.Homeland Security employee purchases include 63-inch plasma TVs, iPods, and $230 for a beer brewing kit.[38]
    39.Two drafting errors in the 2005 Deficit Reduction Act resulted in a $2 billion taxpayer cost.[39]
    40.North Ridgeville, Ohio, received $800,000 in "stimulus" funds for a project that its mayor described as "a long way from the top priority."[40]
    41.The National Institutes of Health spends $1.3 million per month to rent a lab that it cannot use.[41]
    42.Congress recently spent $2.4 billion on 10 new jets that the Pentagon insists it does not need and will not use.[42]
    43.Lawmakers diverted $13 million from Hurricane Katrina relief spending to build a museum celebrating the Army Corps of Engineers -- the agency partially responsible for the failed levees that flooded New Orleans.[43]
    44.Medicare officials recently mailed $50 million in erroneous refunds to 230,000 Medicare recipients.[44]
    45.Audits showed $34 billion worth of Department of Homeland Security contracts contained significant waste, fraud, and abuse.[45]
    46.Washington recently spent $1.8 million to help build a private golf course in Atlanta, Georgia.[46]
    47.The Advanced Technology Program spends $150 million annually subsidizing private businesses; 40 percent of this funding goes to Fortune 500 companies.[47]
    48.Congressional investigators were able to receive $55,000 in federal student loan funding for a fictional college they created to test the Department of Education.[48]
    49.The Conservation Reserve program pays farmers $2 billion annually not to farm their land.[49]
    50.The Commerce Department has lost 1,137 computers since 2001, many containing Americans' personal data.[50]
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    Take oil, gold and silver from the middle East and use that wealth for the wall.

    Any more brain busters?
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    @whodey said
    The Heritage Foundation has come up with a huge list of government waste.

    1.The federal government made at least $72 billion in improper payments in 2008.[1]
    2.Washington spends $92 billion on corporate welfare (excluding TARP) versus $71 billion on homeland security.[2]
    3.Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties.[3]
    4.Govern ...[text shortened]... mmerce Department has lost 1,137 computers since 2001, many containing Americans' personal data.[50]
    Don't cite the footnotes if you're not willing to give them to us to show where your dubious claims are coming from. The Heritage Foundation, huh? Yeah, another Trump cheerleading group trying SO hard to show that prior administrations were much worse. It'll probably be years, if ever, before we count up all the profit Trump has made from being president.
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    @whodey said
    The Heritage Foundation has come up with a huge list of government waste.

    1.The federal government made at least $72 billion in improper payments in 2008.[1]
    2.Washington spends $92 billion on corporate welfare (excluding TARP) versus $71 billion on homeland security.[2]
    3.Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties.[3]
    4.Govern ...[text shortened]... mmerce Department has lost 1,137 computers since 2001, many containing Americans' personal data.[50]
    So you've provided a list of allegedly wasteful government spending which can be diverted to a wasteful government project. Nice one.
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    @whodey

    Those stats are amazing. Is #7 real?
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    26 Dec '18 21:32
    @whodey said
    The Heritage Foundation has come up with a huge list of government waste.

    1.The federal government made at least $72 billion in improper payments in 2008.[1]
    2.Washington spends $92 billion on corporate welfare (excluding TARP) versus $71 billion on homeland security.[2]
    3.Washington spends $25 billion annually maintaining unused or vacant federal properties.[3]
    4.Govern ...[text shortened]... mmerce Department has lost 1,137 computers since 2001, many containing Americans' personal data.[50]
    Here's the link: https://www.heritage.org/budget-and-spending/report/50-examples-government-waste#_edn7

    The article is over 9 years old.
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    @nomorechess said
    Take oil, gold and silver from the middle East and use that wealth for the wall.

    Any more brain busters?
    The military is extremely expensive. You will lose money doing that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War

    According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report published in October 2007, the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion by 2017 when counting the huge interest costs because combat is being financed with borrowed money.
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    @nomorechess said
    @whodey

    Those stats are amazing. Is #7 real?
    It's not really real, it's a distortion of a National Institutes for Health grant from 10 years ago:

    The grant "was not awarded for that purpose," John Bowersox told us via e-mail back in November 2010. "Rather, the researchers will use the grant to develop, implement and evaluate an alcohol use and HIV risk reduction intervention program among female sex workers in China. This is in line with previous studies showing that social norms and institutional policy in commercial sex venues greatly influence alcohol use and sexual behavior among the sex workers in those venues. Studies such as these are needed to translate and adapt interventions that have proven to be effective in the U.S. to other settings and to learn from other conditions and cultures to inform our understanding of the causes, consequences and differences in HIV-related risks, morbidity and mortality in diverse populations. Preventing HIV infection is NIH’s highest priority for HIV-related research. We need to explore a range of research avenues in vulnerable populations around the world to learn the best ways to control the transmission of HIV."

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    In an interview with CNSNews.com, Professor Li said, "The purpose of the project is to try and develop an intervention program targeting HIV risk and alcohol use. So basically, it’s an alcohol and HIV risk reduction intervention project."

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2011/jul/29/judson-phillips/founder-tea-party-nation-claims-us-government-has-/
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    10 years ago?

    So Obama wasted the money then. 😊
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    @nomorechess said
    10 years ago?

    So Obama wasted the money then. 😊
    Disappointingly for you, almost all that spending was authorized pre-Obama.
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    @athousandyoung said
    The military is extremely expensive. You will lose money doing that.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Financial_cost_of_the_Iraq_War

    According to a Congressional Budget Office (CBO) report published in October 2007, the U.S. wars in Iraq and Afghanistan could cost taxpayers a total of $2.4 trillion by 2017 when counting the huge interest costs because combat is being financed with borrowed money.
    The military TAKES all of the oil, gold and silver from the middle east.

    All of it. That much money would pay for the military and ten border walls.

    Take the oil fields and start exporting that. Then confiscate all gold and silver and ship it home.
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    @nomorechess said
    The military TAKES all of the oil, gold and silver from the middle east.

    All of it. That much money would pay for the military and ten border walls.

    Take the oil fields and start exporting that. Then confiscate all gold and silver and ship it home.
    You will still lose money. How many times can you rebuild a refinery that gets blown up all the time?

    https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2016/sep/09/should-US-have-kept-Iraq-oil/

    Legal and ethical arguments aside, there would be massive practical challenges to keeping and holding Iraq’s oil.

    The experts pointed out that the United States does not have enough troops to protect all of Iraq’s oil fields from ISIS militants, let alone securing transportation routes and pipelines for export.

    "It would take a permanent, massive presence to protect a static target from the tanks and heavy weaponry of an enemy with all the time in the world," Gartenstein-Ross said.

    Janda foresaw even more trouble: "It would draw endless numbers of enemies to attack us in the Middle East and draw us into a long-term ground war, which is precisely what Trump has said he wants to avoid."
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    @deepthought said
    So you've provided a list of allegedly wasteful government spending which can be diverted to a wasteful government project. Nice one.
    Well let's see, here is an article that shows Trump claimed that illegal immigration costs the US about $200 billion a year. However, the article says Trump is a big liar and it only costs around $54 billion a year.

    https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/fact-check-how-much-does-illegal-immigration-cost-america-not-n950981

    Now if Trump were to fund the entire wall it would be about $25 billion. Sounds like a deal to me, financially speaking.

    Funny, all he is asking for is $5 billion and you would think the world is ending.
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    @nomorechess said
    @whodey

    Those stats are amazing. Is #7 real?
    Sadly, it would not surprise me.
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    @nomorechess said
    @whodey

    Those stats are amazing. Is #7 real?
    Everybody loves a massage with a happy ending. 😛
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