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  1. Zugzwang
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    17 Mar '19 01:29
    https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2017/08/the-worlds-worst-support-group/536850/

    "How White Supremacists Use Victimhood to Recruit
    A sociologist explores how racists paint themselves as the innocent ones."

    "It may seem puzzling that the racism of these white men—the
    most powerful group of people in the world—is motivated
    by a sense that they’ll be wiped away somehow.
    But according to research on white supremacists, a sense of
    victimhood is exactly what groups like these use to grow their cause."

    Many, if not most, white men here have embraced that
    absurd racist dogma of white male victimhood.
  2. Zugzwang
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    17 Mar '19 01:33
    https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2019/03/15/after-new-zealand-shooting-far-right-racists-claim-victimhood-hail-killer-hero

    "After New Zealand Shooting, Far-right, Racists Claim Victimhood, Hail Killer as Hero"

    "The responses were typical of the racist right, when a white attacker kills Muslims
    or other people of color: ugly, self-pitying and showing very little regard for the victims."

    Many white people who offer only their 'thoughts and prayers' to the
    non-white victims seem unwilling to challenge this kind of white racial
    supremacy, which glorifies all forms of hateful violence against non-white people.
  3. Zugzwang
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    17 Mar '19 17:261 edit
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/mar/17/trump-christchurch-shooter-manifesto

    "White House dismisses Trump mention in Christchurch shooter manifesto"

    "The president is not a white supremacist,” White House acting chief of staff Mick Mulvaney
    said on Fox News Sunday. “I’m not sure how many times we have to say that.”

    That's because there's ample evidence that Donald Trump supports or sympathizes
    with white supremacists, even if he prefers to deny being one himself.
    Donald Trump has said that neo-Nazis include 'many fine people'.

    "In 2017, Trump drew strong criticism in the days after a deadly white supremacist rally
    in Charlottesville, Virginia, when he equated white supremacists with counter-protesters
    and saying “both sides” were to blame.

    After the shooting in New Zealand, Senator Kirsten Gillibrand, a 2020 Democratic
    presidential candidate, said on Twitter: “Time and time again, this president has
    embraced and emboldened white supremacists and instead of condemning racist
    terrorists, he covers for them. This isn’t normal or acceptable.”"

    But white supremacist beliefs or at least sympathy for them seem widely accepted
    in this narrow forum dominated by (largely racist) white men.
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    17 Mar '19 18:31
    You and your people have the race card.
    Me and my people have the victim card.

    All's fair in love and war sweetheart.
  5. Zugzwang
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    17 Mar '19 19:42
    @rowin-side said
    You and your people have the race card.
    Me and my people have the victim card.

    All's fair in love and war sweetheart.
    So Martin Luther King Jr. was just as racist as the Grand Wizard of the KKK, right?
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    @Duchess64

    Did I say that?
    Nope.
    Farrakhan would have been a better analogy.
  7. Zugzwang
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    17 Mar '19 20:02
    @rowin-side said
    @Duchess64

    Did I say that?
    Nope.
    Farrakhan would have been a better analogy.
    Whatever Louis Farrakhan may have said (often apparently disputed) in whatever context,
    the Nation of Islam has practiced much less violence against white people than the
    violence practiced by the KKK against non-white people.
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    17 Mar '19 20:08
    So?
    You keeping score?
  9. Zugzwang
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    17 Mar '19 20:23
    @rowin-side said
    So?
    You keeping score?
    Now rowin-side has begun showing that he's an apologist for the KKK's violence.

    The FBI or other law enforcement agencies do 'keep score' of hate crimes.
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    17 Mar '19 20:26
    Apologist?
    You like to put words in people's mouths.
    Nasty habit you got their.
  11. Zugzwang
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    17 Mar '19 20:33
    @rowin-side said
    Apologist?
    You like to put words in people's mouths.
    Nasty habit you got their.
    "Whatever Louis Farrakhan may have said (often apparently disputed) in whatever context,
    the Nation of Islam has practiced much less violence against white people than the
    violence practiced by the KKK against non-white people."
    --Duchess64

    "So?"
    --Rowin-side

    When I wrote about the KKK's long record of violence against non-white people,
    Rowin-side quickly dismissed it with his 'So?' (as in 'So what?' )

    I would submit that's enough to make Rowin-side an apparent apologist for the KKK.
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    17 Mar '19 20:38
    Now you are paraphrasing.
    You might have a mental disorder.
    Do you want to talk about it?
  13. Zugzwang
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    17 Mar '19 20:45
    @rowin-side said
    Now you are paraphrasing.
    You might have a mental disorder.
    Do you want to talk about it?
    No, I am making a plausible interpretation of exactly what Rowin-side wrote.

    When Donald Trump denies (or his spokespeople deny on his behalf) that he ever
    has been racist or expressed any sympathy for racists, I suspect that the racist
    Rowin-side would eagerly gulp down those whopping lies.
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    @Duchess64

    You need a hug.
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