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  1. 22 Sep '10 04:00 / 1 edit
    Woops!!

    http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2010/09/an-epic-end-to-the-primaries-what-it-means/62992/

    Republicans -- would you like some decaf with that Tea?

    Amid the celebrations and recrimminations, here are a few different ways to look at the primaries of Sept 14, 2010.

    1. The Republican base has repeatedly, when given the oppurtunity, declared its divorce from the party leaders in Washington. This is a significant problem for Messieurs Boehner and Cantor and McConnell, who, with every step, seem to be gathering more and more ire. (Or, they are doing nothing, and ire continues to be generated from the group psychodynamics of the Tea Party movement) The O'Donnell victory will change how Republicans in Washington repond to Democratic overtures between now and election, and it will almost certainly change the way that Republicans set their agenda if they win the House back.

    2. Leadership elections!! As Michael Steele once said, "Can you smell it?" Speaking of Steele -- no Republican candidate is going to have an easy time becoming the next RNC chairman.

    3. I understand why some Republicans are trying to point out that Democrats are "crazy" too by noting how the re-nominated Charles Rangel in NY 15 and kicked out reformist mayor Adrian Fenty in Washington. That dog won't hunt. Yes, Democratic primary voters are showing steaks of independence, but these two votes had nothing to do with the party itself. Anyone following the Gray-Fenty race and who took a gander at the Rangel-Clayton Powell race are not surprised.

    4. The biggest casualty of the nitght, from the standpoint of Democrats, may be well Michelle Rhee's teacher accountability reforms in Washington. They need a few more years to marinate, but new DC mayor Vincent Gray has opposed them. Rhee might be looking for a new job. To the extent that DC politics can effect the national education debate, the White House wishes that Fenty had overcome his arrogance/charisma gap and won.

    5. Chuck Todd said it first, but it is worth repeating: the GOP primary race for 2012 has shifted to the right. Newt Gingrich, who, way back when, opposed nominating Doug Hoffman in New York's 23rd congressional district because it was not prudent, unleashed a series of Tweets this morning that could have been written by Hoffman himself, responding to the torent of complaints by Republicans in Washington.

    "There will be an all out effort to descredit christine odonnell in deleware just as there was to decredit sharon angle in nevada," he wrote. Yes. "The elite media wants to declare her unelectable." No. Republicans IN Deleware, a lot of them, and a lot of smart insurgent GOPers, believe she is unelectable. But that is besides the point. Gingrich is making a play for these voters in 2012. He is shifting with the winds.

    6. Expect an uptick in Democratic enthusiasm and expect several significant races to tighten. People tend to make judgements through the lens of the last major event. If Democrats interpret last night to mean that radical Republicans are threatening to take control, they are going to be more receptive to the basic party message.

    7. The media is going to help the Democratic party's national messaging, which is that the GOP is a party full of Christine O'Donnells, a party that wants to take away our Social Security and your right to masterbate. Well, maybe not that last part, but then again, the implicit message of the party is that the GOP is about to elect a slate of hard social rightests to Congress.
  2. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    22 Sep '10 04:04
    Not even a proper thread title. Yet another new low.
  3. 22 Sep '10 04:21
    Originally posted by FMF
    Not even a proper thread title. Yet another new low.
  4. 22 Sep '10 04:23 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by whodey

    7. The media is going to help the Democratic party's national messaging, which is that the GOP is a party full of Christine O'Donnells, a party that wants to take away our Social Security and your right to masterbate. Well, maybe not that last part, but then again, the implicit message of the party is that the GOP is about to elect a slate of hard social rightests to Congress.[/b]
    This last part is what I would like to focus on. Are the media elite and the political elite joined arm in arm against the Tea Party? In addtion, has the message of smaller government and limited government now become a radical fringe message?
  5. 22 Sep '10 05:43
    Originally posted by whodey
    This last part is what I would like to focus on. Are the media elite and the political elite joined arm in arm against the Tea Party? In addtion, has the message of smaller government and limited government now become a radical fringe message?
    No. It is the new consensus among the cool kids. So expect to see tea-bagger freshman pushing John Boehner's golf-cart come January. Chrissy and Jeff will serve as Evil-Lyn and Beast Man to Mitch's Skeletor. There will be much rejoicing among the party apparatchiks when Chrissy performs the black-mass of passing around the tobacco and insurance lobbyist checks. The future is so bright they will all wear shades to hide the glee in their eyes as whodey is carted off to Bedlam (or Gitmo.)
  6. 22 Sep '10 09:32
    Originally posted by whodey
    This last part is what I would like to focus on. Are the media elite and the political elite joined arm in arm against the Tea Party? In addtion, has the message of smaller government and limited government now become a radical fringe message?
    Eisenhower thought so, but sadly populist sentiment is on the rise.