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  1. 29 Sep '17 12:06
    I would like to talk about the recent passing of Hugh Heffner. With his passing, is the world a better place for women?

    Did he exploit women for his own greedy capitalistic ambition and destroy lives, or did he help liberate women by letting them make ungodly sums of money?
  2. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    29 Sep '17 12:43
    Originally posted by @whodey
    I would like to talk about the recent passing of Hugh Heffner. With his passing, is the world a better place for women?

    Did he exploit women for his own greedy capitalistic ambition and destroy lives, or did he help liberate women by letting them make ungodly sums of money?
    Neither. He was a capitalist, of course, but didn't exploit anyone.And women did not need to be "liberated" by Hugh Heffner.

    He made fame and fortune off the legal sex trade. I see nothing more or less inherently moral about that than someone making fame and fortune in banking or auto manufacturing or film production.
  3. 29 Sep '17 13:05 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by @sh76
    Neither. He was a capitalist, of course, but didn't exploit anyone.And women did not need to be "liberated" by Hugh Heffner.

    He made fame and fortune off the legal sex trade. I see nothing more or less inherently moral about that than someone making fame and fortune in banking or auto manufacturing or film production.
    So you would have no issue seeing your daughter up on the big screen having sex for money?

    Incidentally, is it just me or is it insane that pornography is legal but prostitution is not? But then, lawyers are so much smarter than I.

    Is the issue that porn is bigger money with a bigger lobby group?
  4. 29 Sep '17 13:19
    Originally posted by @whodey
    So you would have no issue seeing your daughter up on the big screen having sex for money?

    Incidentally, is it just me or is it insane that pornography is legal but prostitution is not? But then, lawyers are so much smarter than I.

    Is the issue that porn is bigger money with a bigger lobby group?
    Ah yes, the all-powerful porn lobby.
  5. 29 Sep '17 13:22
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    Ah yes, the all-powerful porn lobby.
    Porn is a billion dollar business.

    I don't know about prostitution since it is an illegal profession.
  6. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    29 Sep '17 13:24
    Originally posted by @whodey
    So you would have no issue seeing your daughter up on the big screen having sex for money?

    Incidentally, is it just me or is it insane that pornography is legal but prostitution is not? But then, lawyers are so much smarter than I.

    Is the issue that porn is bigger money with a bigger lobby group?
    === So you would have no issue seeing your daughter up on the big screen having sex for money? ===

    Yes, I would. But that's my choice. I don't expect the government to protect me and my family from our choices.

    As a professed conservative, you should have precisely the same view.
  7. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    29 Sep '17 13:30 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @whodey
    I would like to talk about the recent passing of Hugh Heffner. With his passing, is the world a better place for women?

    Did he exploit women for his own greedy capitalistic ambition and destroy lives, or did he help liberate women by letting them make ungodly sums of money?
    It's kinda odd (don't you think) that George H. W. Bush and Hugh Heffner are blood related?
    CIA "founded" September 1947.
    Playboy established six years later, October 1953 (first issue that December).
    H.W. in heavy with the CIA from the very beginning with his shell companies and business fronts used to carry on the nefarious deeds of that criminal and unconstitutional vile organization.
    One of his phony fronts, Zapata Petroleum--- also established in 1953--- 'just happened' to share the same name as the CIA's Operation Zapata... explained away as coincidence for its connection to the Cuban bay sharing the same name.
    Of course.
    H.W.--- who lied about his twenty year direct and emphatic involvement with the CIA when he was appointed director in the 1970's --- is the only adult in America alive at the time who either couldn't recall where he was when Kennedy was murdered by his own countrymen, or claimed to be in Houston on "oil business," despite the fact that we have a letter from him placing him in Dallas and a photograph of him at the Texas Book Depository on that shameful day.
    And why wouldn't a former CIA director not be interviewed by that hallowed magazine?
    Presidents have, so it's only fitting that any leader worth their salt should likewise endorse a magazine which made its mark on the world by finding nubile beauties in their prime, enticing them with fame/fortune, photographing them in provocative settings with little to no covering, and then discarding them when they had lost their 'value.'
    One cousin intent on destroying the US from within its own administration, the other cousin intent on destroying the US from within its own heart.

    No connections at all, otherwise.
  8. 29 Sep '17 13:37 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @sh76
    === So you would have no issue seeing your daughter up on the big screen having sex for money? ===

    Yes, I would. But that's my choice. I don't expect the government to protect me and my family from our choices.

    As a professed conservative, you should have precisely the same view.
    Wait....wut?

    I don't think it wrong to tell people what you believe and why. The only question becomes, why would you not warn those who don't adhere to what you believe? Don't you give a damn?

    Again, where did I bring the government into this other than asking why porn is legal and prostitution is not? I'm merely asking is the nation better for Hugh Heffner or worse.

    As for lives destroyed, what about this one?

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2857873/Passed-Bill-Cosby-Hugh-Hefner-dozens-Hollywood-honchos-Playboy-Playmate-Month-felt-used-abused-powerful-leading-men-took-gun-shot-head.html
  9. 29 Sep '17 13:44
    Originally posted by @freakykbh
    It's kinda odd (don't you think) that George H. W. Bush and Hugh Heffner are blood related?
    CIA "founded" September 1947.
    Playboy established six years later, October 1953 (first issue that December).
    H.W. in heavy with the CIA from the very beginning with his shell companies and business fronts used to carry on the nefarious deeds of that criminal and ...[text shortened]... usin intent on destroying the US from within its own heart.

    No connections at all, otherwise.
    Speaking of the President, I read this from the National Review.

    And yet, the secular, progressive guardians of our public morality — you know, the people who think you’re a horrible person if you don’t recycle or if you use the wrong pronouns — all so often don’t just tolerate but celebrate the sexual “liberation” that is part and parcel of porn nation. So many A-list celebrities spent time at the Playboy Mansion, especially at its peak, that there was a time when one could wonder who hadn’t embraced Hef or the magazine he made. Our president has. The evidence is on his office wall. These were the people setting the tone for American culture. These were the people mocking the values that kept families strong. These were the people who were teaching a nation that fulfillment could be found in sex, and that the joy of sex was worth more than marriage itself.

    Hugh Heffner made porn and the sex industry main stream and respectable.
  10. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    29 Sep '17 14:13
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Speaking of the President, I read this from the National Review.

    And yet, the secular, progressive guardians of our public morality — you know, the people who think you’re a horrible person if you don’t recycle or if you use the wrong pronouns — all so often don’t just tolerate but celebrate the sexual “liberation” that is part and parcel of porn nation. ...[text shortened]... an marriage itself.

    Hugh Heffner made porn and the sex industry main stream and respectable.
    Rules aren't for the rulers; they're for the ruled.
    Our rulers are above morality, but not in the sense of a higher standard... just a different one.
  11. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    29 Sep '17 14:39
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Porn is a billion dollar business.

    I don't know about prostitution since it is an illegal profession.
    Where in the bloody world us prostitution illegal???

    Let me guess... the US.
    God damn, is there nothing they won't do to undermine union rights?
  12. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    29 Sep '17 14:41
    Originally posted by @whodey
    I would like to talk about the recent passing of Hugh Heffner. With his passing, is the world a better place for women?

    Did he exploit women for his own greedy capitalistic ambition and destroy lives, or did he help liberate women by letting them make ungodly sums of money?
    Mhmmm a subject I don't really have an opinion about!

    I'm pretty damned sure his intentions had nothing to do with emancipation.
    Any woman's rights brought about by that man's actions have, surely, to be coincidental?
  13. Subscriber joe shmo
    Strange Egg
    29 Sep '17 14:41
    Originally posted by @whodey
    So you would have no issue seeing your daughter up on the big screen having sex for money?

    Incidentally, is it just me or is it insane that pornography is legal but prostitution is not? But then, lawyers are so much smarter than I.

    Is the issue that porn is bigger money with a bigger lobby group?
    Comparing Hugh to a "Hardcore" pornographer is a bit of a stretch...
  14. 29 Sep '17 14:59
    Originally posted by @whodey

    Hugh Heffner made porn and the sex industry main stream and respectable.
    Yep. When I think "respectable" I think of Hugh Hefner.
  15. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    29 Sep '17 15:07
    Originally posted by @sh76
    Neither. He was a capitalist, of course, but didn't exploit anyone.And women did not need to be "liberated" by Hugh Heffner.

    He made fame and fortune off the legal sex trade. I see nothing more or less inherently moral about that than someone making fame and fortune in banking or auto manufacturing or film production.
    He was a capitalist, of course, but didn't exploit anyone.
    exploit
    verb
    to utilize, especially for profit; turn to practical account.

    to use selfishly for one's own ends.

    to advance or further through exploitation; promote.

    If you're not morally offended by his business, I don't know that you'll be able to recognize his business model.
    Nonetheless, Playboy is a textbook example of exploitation.
    Anyone who says otherwise is either naïve or possibly has some skin in the game.