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  1. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    23 Dec '15 03:16
    So said Robert Lewis Dear in court almost two weeks ago.http://www.cbsnews.com/news/planned-parenthood-attack-suspect-has-court-outburst-i-am-guilty/

    So we have some right wing Christian terrorism in our fair country after all.

    BTW a judge has found that there is no evidence of any criminal activity in the heavily doctored Planned Parenthood tapes that seem to have been the impetus for Dear's actions: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-no-evidence-of-crimes-in-planned-parenthood-videos/
  2. 23 Dec '15 03:51
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    So said Robert Lewis Dear in court almost two weeks ago.http://www.cbsnews.com/news/planned-parenthood-attack-suspect-has-court-outburst-i-am-guilty/

    So we have some right wing Christian terrorism in our fair country after all.

    BTW a judge has found that there is no evidence of any criminal activity in the heavily doctored Planned Parenthood tapes ...[text shortened]... s actions: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-no-evidence-of-crimes-in-planned-parenthood-videos/
    "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service." John 16:2

    He wasted his life by doing this when he could have spoken out against abortion and tried to educate young people. Now he will be Bubbas playmate in prison.
  3. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    23 Dec '15 15:12
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    "They shall put you out of the synagogues: yea, the time cometh, that whosoever killeth you will think that he doeth God service." John 16:2

    He wasted his life by doing this when he could have spoken out against abortion and tried to educate young people. Now he will be Bubbas playmate in prison.
    Best thing for pro-lifers really.
  4. 23 Dec '15 15:33
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    So said Robert Lewis Dear in court almost two weeks ago.http://www.cbsnews.com/news/planned-parenthood-attack-suspect-has-court-outburst-i-am-guilty/

    So we have some right wing Christian terrorism in our fair country after all.

    BTW a judge has found that there is no evidence of any criminal activity in the heavily doctored Planned Parenthood tapes ...[text shortened]... s actions: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-no-evidence-of-crimes-in-planned-parenthood-videos/
    He would be a classic example of why I'd very narrowly tailor the morality basis to ignore the law.
  5. 23 Dec '15 15:50 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    So said Robert Lewis Dear in court almost two weeks ago.http://www.cbsnews.com/news/planned-parenthood-attack-suspect-has-court-outburst-i-am-guilty/

    So we have some right wing Christian terrorism in our fair country after all.

    BTW a judge has found that there is no evidence of any criminal activity in the heavily doctored Planned Parenthood tapes ...[text shortened]... s actions: http://www.cbsnews.com/news/judge-no-evidence-of-crimes-in-planned-parenthood-videos/
    You must be a right wing Christian to believe that unborn babies are babies?

    Wow, you are one demented individual.

    In any case, if I were on that jury, I would find him not guilty.

    Why should the super rich and politicians be the only ones above the law?
  6. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    23 Dec '15 16:13
    Originally posted by Eladar
    You must be a right wing Christian to believe that unborn babies are babies?

    Wow, you are one demented individual.

    In any case, if I were on that jury, I would find him not guilty.

    Why should the super rich and politicians be the only ones above the law?
    In that case why not throw out all laws?
  7. 23 Dec '15 16:15
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    In that case why not throw out all laws?
    Why do you think we have a jury of peers? Unjust laws need not be upheld.
  8. 23 Dec '15 16:55
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Why do you think we have a jury of peers? Unjust laws need not be upheld.
    Why do you think we have laws? We could just let the masses decide whatever their morals compel them to do?
  9. 23 Dec '15 17:10
    Originally posted by quackquack
    Why do you think we have laws? We could just let the masses decide whatever their morals compel them to do?
    Why do we have laws? So the people at the top can do what they want and the rest of us can be controlled.

    Jury of our peers is there for a reason. It is for times like today.
  10. 23 Dec '15 17:28
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Why do we have laws? So the people at the top can do what they want and the rest of us can be controlled.

    Jury of our peers is there for a reason. It is for times like today.
    It's a jury of one when you unilaterally decided that you do not have to obey a law because it offends your morals. Do you think I want to be subjected to a system of rules that someone (say Duchess) deems fair?
  11. 23 Dec '15 17:39
    Originally posted by quackquack
    It's a jury of one when you unilaterally decided that you do not have to obey a law because it offends your morals. Do you think I want to be subjected to a system of rules that someone (say Duchess) deems fair?
    You already function under that system. Right now we function under what people like Obama, Boehner and Hillary believe is fair. Even more obviously true is what 5 members of the Supreme Court believes is fair.

    Why should the individual's opinion have less weight?
  12. 23 Dec '15 18:03
    Originally posted by Eladar
    You already function under that system. Right now we function under what people like Obama, Boehner and Hillary believe is fair. Even more obviously true is what 5 members of the Supreme Court believes is fair.

    Why should the individual's opinion have less weight?
    At least the majority chose Obama (even if you and I did not). Impeachment/ re-election/ governmental checks and balances/ media publicity all influence what he does. I'd rather scrap government completely and save my tax money then let Joe Six Pack unilaterally decide when we do and don't have to follow rules.
  13. 23 Dec '15 18:05
    Originally posted by quackquack
    At least the majority chose Obama (even if you and I did not). Impeachment/ re-election/ governmental checks and balances/ media publicity all influence what he does. I'd rather scrap government completely and save my tax money then let Joe Six Pack unilaterally decide when we do and don't have to follow rules.
    What choice did the majority have?
  14. 23 Dec '15 18:28
    Originally posted by Eladar
    What choice did the majority have?
    The majority could have voted for someone else. If we let individuals unilaterally decide what is moral or immoral then we could have one person forcing their beliefs on literally single other person.
  15. 24 Dec '15 00:03
    Originally posted by quackquack
    The majority could have voted for someone else. If we let individuals unilaterally decide what is moral or immoral then we could have one person forcing their beliefs on literally single other person.
    When, in American History, when a majority or even a large minority is upset with the continuous actions of Congress and Presidents, we have a history of rebellion. The founding is such a case, and the War of 1812 and Civil Wars were the result of such rebellions.

    Obviously, rebellions are expensive and don't always work. No single individual can think of rebellion, although individual rebels such as Irwin Schiff no doubt inspired others, and forced the IRS to alter its policies, on tax collection. Rebels must decide if their cause is worth the cost.