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  1. Standard memberKellyJay
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    20 Nov '18 11:31
    Man, 69, sues to lower his age 20 years. He says it will help him on Tinder

    Can we identify as younger or order and that carry the same power
    as someone who claims they male or female regardless of what their
    bodies look like?
  2. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    20 Nov '18 11:34
    @kellyjay said
    Man, 69, sues to lower his age 20 years. He says it will help him on Tinder

    Can we identify as younger or order and that carry the same power
    as someone who claims they male or female regardless of what their
    bodies look like?
    No.
    next question.
  3. Standard memberKellyJay
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    @wolfgang59 said
    No.
    next question.
    Why not, men are now allowed in women's restrooms due to how they identify as
    a female? What stops all other categories from having the same thing done to them?

    Why not identify as a different race, if I feel very strongly I'm now that race, who
    you are to tell me no? Not my fault some benefits are would now be made available
    to me. Several men going into ladies bathrooms and take their cameras with them
    for pictures, and to find lone women and kids. Yet it doesn't seem to hinder the
    argument that they should be able to do that. Why not identify as different
    nationality if there are benefits to it, and if all these things are matters of personal
    identification why not age?

    If this is the new way of things all check boxes about how we are identified should
    be eliminated because they can be changes on a dime, then changed back.

    Personally, I think this identification reality is a joke, and when I read what this guy
    sued over I laughed my butt off.
  4. Standard memberKellyJay
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    @wolfgang59 said
    No.
    next question.
    You think this is as it should be?

    "A student group at a women's college has retired its annual production of The Vagina Monologues in favor of a production that will be more inclusive of transgender students. Women's college cancels play, saying it excludes transgender experiences"

    Now it seems men not women control the women's movement, funny how this
    is playing out. First the bathrooms, now entertainment, pretty soon what will there
    be that allows women to identify as another sex if anyone can be one at any
    time? Sporting events we are now seeing men win because they identify as
    women, biologically they can do things better than most, not all.
  5. Subscriberkmax87
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    20 Nov '18 14:33
    @kellyjay said
    You think this is as it should be?

    "A student group at a women's college has retired its annual production of The Vagina Monologues
    They could always relaunch as the 'Anal Syliloquay'. Surely that would have everyone covered!?
  6. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    20 Nov '18 16:45
    @kellyjay said
    Man, 69, sues to lower his age 20 years. He says it will help him on Tinder

    Can we identify as younger or order and that carry the same power
    as someone who claims they male or female regardless of what their
    bodies look like?
    Why doesn’t he just lie on Tinder or say his age of 69 is a sexual joke?
  7. Standard memberKellyJay
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    20 Nov '18 17:05
    @athousandyoung said
    Why doesn’t he just lie on Tinder or say his age of 69 is a sexual joke?
    What is the difference? 🙂
  8. SubscriberSuzianne
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    @kellyjay said
    Man, 69, sues to lower his age 20 years. He says it will help him on Tinder

    Can we identify as younger or order and that carry the same power
    as someone who claims they male or female regardless of what their
    bodies look like?
    If we're stupid, can we 'identify' as smart?

    Like wolfgang said, no. Next question.
  9. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    20 Nov '18 17:17
    @KellyJay

    Your attitude toward transgender issues is devoid of objectivity.
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    @suzianne said
    If we're stupid, can we 'identify' as smart?

    Like wolfgang said, no. Next question.
    (Suzianne replied to KellyJay.)

    Donald Trump identifies himself as a 'genius' in, apparently, about every way.
    He once said that that he thought that he could become a GM within two years of starting chess.
  11. SubscriberSuzianne
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    @duchess64 said
    (Suzianne replied to KellyJay.)

    Donald Trump identifies himself as a 'genius' in, apparently, about every way.
    He once said that that he thought that he could become a GM within two years of starting chess.
    Thankfully, many of us know better.
  12. Standard memberKellyJay
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    20 Nov '18 19:19
    @suzianne said
    If we're stupid, can we 'identify' as smart?

    Like wolfgang said, no. Next question.
    People do that all the time here. 🙂 Why not, simply no doesn't do away with that
    people have done with men in women's bathrooms. What stops that from being
    done with anything else?
  13. Standard memberKellyJay
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    20 Nov '18 19:21
    @handyandy said
    @KellyJay

    Your attitude toward transgender issues is devoid of objectivity.
    Show me how I'm wrong here, just looking for points of view that shows this is okay,
    and it cannot be done else where for these reasons!
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    @kellyjay said
    Show me how I'm wrong here, just looking for points of view that shows this is okay,
    and it cannot be done else where for these reasons!
    Age is a set thing. You were born on that date and that's not flexible. That one 69-er (giggity) feels younger than another 69-er (giggity) doesn't change the fact that they're both 69 (giggity).

    Gender isn't as clear cut, since some people may be born as a man (depending of course on how you define man) but feel much more aligned with their female side.

    Or do you think that people who purposely dress us as the sex that they weren't born as or even get surgery, do so for sh|ts and giggles?
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    @kellyjay said
    Show me how I'm wrong here, just looking for points of view that shows this is okay,
    and it cannot be done else where for these reasons!
    Age is sufficiently determined by physiology. So is height. One who is five feet tall cannot identify as six feet tall (or if he does, he's simply wrong about it). One who is 63 cannot identify as 43 (or if he does, he's simply wrong about it). One can identify as gender fluid, because gender is under-determined by physiology. Psychological factors are relevant to gender identity in ways which are not relevant to age or height.

    If you believe that gender is entirely determined by physiology, by what a body looks like, then you have an utterly materialistic conception of human sexuality.
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