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    28 Jan '18 14:58
    “There appears to be a huge difference between the two groups,” he said. “The type of person who goes through the process to legally immigrate in the United States appears to be very law-abiding versus even the U.S.-born population."


    "John R. Lott Jr., CPRC president and the report's author, said the crimes of which these illegal immigrants were convicted tended to be more serious. His findings challenge previous assertions that illegal immigrants commit fewer crimes."



    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/01/28/conviction-data-show-illegal-immigrants-commit-more-crimes-than-native-born-americans-study.html
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    28 Jan '18 16:271 edit
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    “There appears to be a huge difference between the two groups,” he said. “The type of person who goes through the process to legally immigrate in the United States appears to be very law-abiding versus even the U.S.-born population."


    "John R. Lott Jr., CPRC president and the report's author, said the crimes of which these illegal immigrants wer ...[text shortened]... conviction-data-show-illegal-immigrants-commit-more-crimes-than-native-born-americans-study.html
    Oh yes, FIX news. The same outfit that brought us "death panels" and grannies being wheeled into the streets to die. As well as your little idiot Tucker Carlson who said "more kids drown in bathtubs, than were killed by guns" Pretty credible source. Read the Weekly Standard skippy, that Conservative publication at least bothers to check it's facts before publishing anything.

    http://video.foxnews.com/v/2575725564001/?#sp=show-clips

    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/article/2015/feb/26/50-fox-news-lies-6-seconds-daily-show/
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    28 Jan '18 17:291 edit
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    “There appears to be a huge difference between the two groups,” he said. “The type of person who goes through the process to legally immigrate in the United States appears to be very law-abiding versus even the U.S.-born population."


    "John R. Lott Jr., CPRC president and the report's author, said the crimes of which these illegal immigrants wer ...[text shortened]... conviction-data-show-illegal-immigrants-commit-more-crimes-than-native-born-americans-study.html
    This John Lott?:

    John Lott is, if not the most influential, certainly the most prolific “academic” in the gun debate. He has authored weekly columns in local newspapers on the horrors of gun free zones, published widely-distributed books on the ostensible benefits of right-to-carry laws, and his newest book The War on Guns has received rave reviews by prominent conservatives, like Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX), Sen. Marco Rubio (R-FL), and Newt Gingrich.

    Before Lott’s flurry of activity, it was difficult to find anybody arguing that widespread gun ownership made societies safer — even the NRA was reticent to make such a bold claim, defending gun ownership with reference to the constitution, not criminology.

    But Lott’s recent successes belie a far more shadowy past. A little over a decade ago, he was disgraced and his career was in tatters. Not only was Lott’s assertion that more guns leads to more safety formally repudiated by a National Research Council panel, but he had also been caught pushing studies with severe statistical errors on numerous occasions. An investigation uncovered that he had almost certainly fabricated an entire survey on defensive gun use. And a blogger revealed that Mary Rosh, an online commentator claiming to be a former student of Lott’s who would frequently post about how amazing he was, was in fact John Lott himself. He was all but excommunicated from academia.

    https://thinkprogress.org/debunking-john-lott-5456e83cf326/
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    28 Jan '18 19:01
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    This John Lott?:

    John Lott is, if not the most influential, certainly the most prolific “academic” in the gun debate. He has authored weekly columns in local newspapers on the horrors of gun free zones, published widely-distributed books on the ostensible benefits of right-to-carry laws, and his newest book The War on Guns has received rave rev ...[text shortened]... ted from academia.

    https://thinkprogress.org/debunking-john-lott-5456e83cf326/
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    gosh! not one word to refute the article, just attacking the messenger.

    I can give you multiple messengers...

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/327229-crimes-by-illegal-aliens-not-legal-immigrants-are-the-real
  5. Subscriberno1marauder
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    28 Jan '18 19:40
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    gosh! not one word to refute the article, just attacking the messenger.

    I can give you multiple messengers...

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blog/immigration/327229-crimes-by-illegal-aliens-not-legal-immigrants-are-the-real
    AFAIK, few, if any, political leaders are arguing that the United States should simply allow illegal aliens into the country.

    So what is your point, exactly?
  6. Subscriberno1marauder
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    28 Jan '18 20:121 edit
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    “There appears to be a huge difference between the two groups,” he said. “The type of person who goes through the process to legally immigrate in the United States appears to be very law-abiding versus even the U.S.-born population."


    "John R. Lott Jr., CPRC president and the report's author, said the crimes of which these illegal immigrants wer ...[text shortened]... conviction-data-show-illegal-immigrants-commit-more-crimes-than-native-born-americans-study.html
    A quick look at the article shows the research methodology is pretty shaky; it is based on evidence from only one State - Arizona - and one population subgroup - between ages 15 and 35 - which is known to have a higher crime rate (they are over 60% of all arrests according to the FBI Uniform Crime Reports -https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/table-20/table-20.xls#overview).

    Based on Lott's previous claims, the best way to reduce crime among illegal aliens would be to give them all handguns. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/More_Guns,_Less_Crime
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    28 Jan '18 20:43
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    AFAIK, few, if any, political leaders are arguing that the United States should simply allow illegal aliens into the country.

    So what is your point, exactly?
    LMFAO!
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    28 Jan '18 23:35
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    LMFAO!
    me too!
    LMFAO
    No1marauder thinking you have a point ...
    LMFAO
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    29 Jan '18 04:31
    Oh. This isn’t about Men in Black!

    How disappointing.
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    29 Jan '18 06:34
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    Oh. This isn’t about Men in Black!

    How disappointing.
    Just look at the light....
  11. Subscriberkmax87
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    29 Jan '18 06:44
    Originally posted by @thinkofone
    This John Lott?:

    John Lott is, if not the most influential, certainly the most prolific “academic” in the gun debate. He has authored weekly columns in local newspapers on the horrors of gun free zones, published widely-distributed books on the ostensible benefits of right-to-carry laws, and his newest book The War on Guns has received rave rev ...[text shortened]... ted from academia.

    https://thinkprogress.org/debunking-john-lott-5456e83cf326/
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    And that's only the half of it. When you get to meet his wife it all falls into place.....salt tongued shrew!
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    31 Jan '18 20:46
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    AFAIK, few, if any, political leaders are arguing that the United States should simply allow illegal aliens into the country.

    So what is your point, exactly?
    The implication is clear, actually... None of them should have pathways to citizenship or be treated ad anything but criminals.
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