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  1. Zugzwang
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    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/10/in-revering-trump-the-religious-right-has-laid-bare-its-hypocrisy

    "In revering Trump, the religious right has laid bare its hypocrisy"

    "It is hardly necessary here to reiterate the myriad sins that Trump has
    openly committed or the blithe ignorance of scripture he betrayed
    during the presidential campaign. All that matters is that more than
    80% of white evangelicals conveniently forgot their prior concern
    with presidential character to vote for Trump, and this faction has
    remained his most loyal base."

    "From the perspective of Democrats and progressives, the impregnable
    evangelical fortress around Trump can look like a problem.
    As proven electoral activists and bloc voters, evangelicals exert disproportionate power."

    "Instead, though, Americans of the center and left ought to feel
    liberated by the religious right’s embrace of Trump. It has broken a spell."

    P.S. Does the instant 'thumbs down' come from a supporter of Donald Trump, an
    American evangelical Christian, or one of my trolls who (knee-jerk) hates everything I post?
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    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/10/in-revering-trump-the-religious-right-has-laid-bare-its-hypocrisy

    "In revering Trump, the religious right has laid bare its hypocrisy"

    "It is hardly necessary here to reiterate the myriad sins that Trump has
    openly committed or the blithe ignorance of scripture he betrayed
    during the presidential campaign. All ...[text shortened]... mp, an
    American evangelical Christian, or one of my trolls who (knee-jerk) hates everything I post?
    I would think that Mr Knee-Jerk would answer possibly by posting a different piece, from a different source, that is in direct contrast to the piece that you posted. It will be equally as erudite and probably more evidentiary.

    And we will be off to the races! Yeah, I never miss a day of the Guardian!
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    10 Feb '19 23:08
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/10/in-revering-trump-the-religious-right-has-laid-bare-its-hypocrisy

    "In revering Trump, the religious right has laid bare its hypocrisy"

    "It is hardly necessary here to reiterate the myriad sins that Trump has
    openly committed or the blithe ignorance of scripture he betrayed
    during the presidential campaign. All ...[text shortened]... mp, an
    American evangelical Christian, or one of my trolls who (knee-jerk) hates everything I post?
    when he starts lopping heads off you holler at us, aight?
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    @averagejoe1 said
    I would think that Mr Knee-Jerk would answer possibly by posting a different piece, from a different source, that is in direct contrast to the piece that you posted. It will be equally as erudite and probably more evidentiary.

    And we will be off to the races! Yeah, I never miss a day of the Guardian!
    Right-wing trolls like Averagejoe1 boast about 'erudition' while typically spewing drivel.

    Sarah Sanders believes that God appointed Donald Trump to be US President!
    Does Averagejoe1 (a fanatical supporter of Donald Trump) agree?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/01/sarah-sanders-believes-trumps-presidency-was-a-divine-plan-god-bless-America

    "Sarah Sanders believes Trump’s presidency was a divine plan. God bless America! "

    "Nevertheless, I always thought the Bible was about loving thy neighbour and helping the poor.
    And I distinctly recall a commandment about not committing adultery – which
    seems hard to square with Trump’s sexual mores. You have to hand it to the
    president’s evangelical base: no matter what the president does, there seems to
    be a Bible verse to prove Trumpiness is next to godliness.

    Take the Stormy Daniels affair. Last year, it was reported that Trump had allegedly
    cheated on Melania, his third wife, with the porn star, just a few months after
    Melania had given birth. While that may seem difficult to defend, it turns out that
    the Bible says thou shalt not commit adultery, except in very specific circumstances.
    After the story broke, a number of evangelicals, including the Alabama pastor
    John Kilpatrick, cited the story of King David, who adulterously impregnated
    Bathsheba and then had her husband murdered. “David committed adultery and
    had a man killed,” Kilpatrick said in a sermon which compared Trump to the biblical figure.
    “God left him as king of Israel.” He also quoted 1 Timothy 2:2, which asks people
    to pray for “kings, and for all that are in authority”, as a reason to support Trump."

    "Once you bear all this in mind, the idea that Trump may be some sort of emissary
    of the almighty doesn’t sound so ridiculous. So, God bless America. It may be having
    a hard time with democracy, but it seems to be on its way to becoming the
    greatest theocracy in the world."
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    I sense that many on the religious right do not like much of Trump's personal life. However, Trump seems to be their best card to destroy Roe VS Wade and make abortion, which they consider a terrible and unforgivable form of murder, at any point, for whatever reason, illegal.They believe life is short. Eternity is forever. If they do not vote for individuals who strongly oppose abortion, they will spend eternity in Hell.
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    @phranny said
    I sense that many on the religious right do not like much of Trump's personal life. However, Trump seems to be their best card to destroy Roe VS Wade and make abortion, which they consider a terrible and unforgivable form of murder, at any point, for whatever reason, illegal.They believe life is short. Eternity is forever. If they do not vote for individuals who strongly oppose abortion, they will spend eternity in Hell.
    https://mavenroundtable.io/theintellectualist/news/report-trump-allegedly-paid-hush-money-for-eight-abortions-_FsKyrV84EeUnFwmCd8cSg/

    "Report: Trump Allegedly Paid Hush Money For Eight Abortions"

    "According to the Spectator, President Donald Trump might have paid as many
    as eight women to have abortions and stay quiet about sexual affairs …"
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    11 Feb '19 00:57
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/10/in-revering-trump-the-religious-right-has-laid-bare-its-hypocrisy

    "In revering Trump, the religious right has laid bare its hypocrisy"

    "It is hardly necessary here to reiterate the myriad sins that Trump has
    openly committed or the blithe ignorance of scripture he betrayed
    during the presidential campaign. All ...[text shortened]... mp, an
    American evangelical Christian, or one of my trolls who (knee-jerk) hates everything I post?
    This is very simple and has been spelled out to you before:

    HRC
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    @duchess64 said
    Right-wing trolls like Averagejoe1 boast about 'erudition' while typically spewing drivel.

    Sarah Sanders believes that God appointed Donald Trump to be US President!
    Does Averagejoe1 (a fanatical supporter of Donald Trump) agree?

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/01/sarah-sanders-believes-trumps-presidency-was-a-divine-plan-god-bless-America

    "Sara ...[text shortened]... me with democracy, but it seems to be on its way to becoming the
    greatest theocracy in the world."
    This post is full of gems. BTW I was castigated when I commented on Duchess64’s use of all the apostrophes, and for the record’ I still don’t get the random apostrophes sprinkled everywhere. You talkin:, or a’quotin?

    Sara thinks a God exists, at least. A good start. But better, Trump does! You’d rather have the Muslim still in office?

    Sexual mores violations are all in the news with everybody. Ike, jfk ,and both brothers, LBJ, FDR!, John Edwards, blah blah. I can’t include Democrat Bill Clinton , as his was criminal RAPE!, Give me a break and get into the 21st century. Kamala Harris, a dem, had an affair,with another democrat. No problem apparently, for your Dem leaders. Then there is the Lt. governor rapist in Virginia. Democrat.

    I’ll take the non-smoking non-drinking protector of our country, Duchess. Obama was a druggie. I’d think your evangelical ramblings May raise the ire of our member King David.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    This post is full of gems. BTW I was castigated when I commented on Duchess64’s use of all the apostrophes, and for the record’ I still don’t get the random apostrophes sprinkled everywhere. You talkin:, or a’quotin?

    Sara thinks a God exists, at least. A good start. But better, Trump does! You’d rather have the Muslim still in office?

    Sexual mores viol ...[text shortened]... ama was a druggie. I’d think your evangelical ramblings May raise the ire of our member King David.
    Sigh .....
    Probably won’t happen in my lifetime.
    But someday, maybe just someday, humanity collectively will come to the realization that religion is obsolete.
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    11 Feb '19 02:40
    @phranny said
    I sense that many on the religious right do not like much of Trump's personal life. However, Trump seems to be their best card to destroy Roe VS Wade and make abortion, which they consider a terrible and unforgivable form of murder, at any point, for whatever reason, illegal.They believe life is short. Eternity is forever. If they do not vote for individuals who strongly oppose abortion, they will spend eternity in Hell.
    A more realistic explanation is that the overwhelming majority of white American evangelical
    Christians admire and support Donald Trump because they hate the same people.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    This post is full of gems. BTW I was castigated when I commented on Duchess64’s use of all the apostrophes, and for the record’ I still don’t get the random apostrophes sprinkled everywhere. You talkin:, or a’quotin?
    Learn to read.
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    I've pulled this list out like once a month since the middle of 2016...

    As a conservative Christian who listens to conservative Christian radio and personalities, who reads conservative Christian books, attends Church, etc....

    Here is a quick list of prominent conservative Christians taken seriously across the board and their stances on Pres. Trump:

    Fr. Mitch Pacwa (Catholic) [One of EWTN's most popular broadcasters]: Vote for Trump because it is our obligation in regards to issues of abortion and it's a bonus that he lines up with us on significant issues in the culture War, but he is sexually immoral and his personal life is a sign of how far we have fallen.

    Dr. Albert Mohler [Dean of the Southern Baptist Convention's seminary; host of probably the most popular evangelical Christian conservative podcast & website]: He told his followers to NOT vote for Pres. Trump solely because of his personal life. He emphasized that even if we disagree with him we cannot vote for Pres. Trump.

    Dr. James White [very prominent Calvinist]: Voted Trump, supports Trump more or less, but also has actively criticized his marriage life, particularly the Stormy Daniels issue.

    Fr. Josiah Trenham [very prominent Orthodox personality on Ancient Faith radio]: Supported Trump generally but criticized him about Stormy Daniels and marital fidelity.

    ..., I am pretty sure Pat Robertson has said dumb stuff on this topic, and people bring up Jerry Falwell Jr. but he actually got a little more nuanced on this in places.

    But yeah, there you go.

    I think a lot of people forget that for conservatives, it's just the same as liberals. We pick the lesser of two evils just like you.

    And we literally have Fr. Pacwa and Fr. Trenham suggesting that you have to never vote for a pro-choice candidate and always vote to prevent the slaughter of innocents.

    I'm sure that these guys would prefer to vote for somoene who is like Pres. Trump and is a paradigm of virtue, but that wasn't what was on the ticket, and complaining that they still voted for a morally flawed person is basically just complaining that they exist.
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    @averagejoe1 said
    It will be equally as erudite and probably more evidentiary.
    ... equally erudite ...
    or
    ... as erudite ...
    not
    ... equally as erudite ...

    And I have no idea what evidentiary is supposed to mean.

    Courtesy of the Grammar Police
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    @wolfgang59 said
    ... equally erudite ...
    or
    ... as erudite ...
    not
    ... equally as erudite ...

    And I have no idea what evidentiary is supposed to mean.

    Courtesy of the Grammar Police
    Grammar Police is the name of the software you use.
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    @philokalia said
    I've pulled this list out like once a month since the middle of 2016...

    As a conservative Christian who listens to conservative Christian radio and personalities, who reads conservative Christian books, attends Church, etc....

    Here is a quick list of prominent conservative Christians taken seriously across the board and their stances on Pres. Trump:

    Fr. Mitch Pac ...[text shortened]... ing that they still voted for a morally flawed person is basically just complaining that they exist.
    Hope a lib can come up with a clear justification for totally ignoring the accomplishments of Trump, which have improved the lot of our citizens, and who’d rather rail on (angry, angry) about his foibles and locker-room bantering. As to his tweeting (which I think is a little much, as well), keep in mind how focused he is, how transparent he is. Your guy Obama was not transparent, whispered to a Russian leader that he’d be ‘more flexible’ after election! Whispered! The Don, your real leader, he don’t whisper! He don’t! Let’s just stipulate that he’s a ‘bit’ like rapist Bill Clinton, thus cancelling that foible out, and then chide him for a too-long tie, and for being sickened by infanticide. Obama would have no problem with it, ....political expediency! Donald is not much into political, he is a businessman,...another thing that makes libs Angry!
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