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  1. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    20 May '10 22:44
    Massachusetts Senator Scott Brown who rode into office largely because of public outrage over deals made with Senators giving their states special considerations in order to secure their votes for health care reform, has decided to vote to end debate on and thus move the financial reform bill forward on the condition that Massachusetts banks get special attention in the final bill.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37254090/ns/business-economy_at_a_crossroads
  2. 20 May '10 22:55 / 2 edits
    The article doesn't say what concession Brown specifically got.

    If it was something that would apply equally to all banks in the US, then it wouldn't be that big of a deal. He was simply doing his job in looking out for the interests of the people he represents.

    The problem is if Brown got a special deal that would only apply to banks in Massuchussetts. If so, it would then be like the Louisiana Purchase or the Cornhusker Kickback that gave unfair advantages to one specific state.
  3. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    20 May '10 23:50
    Originally posted by Melanerpes
    The article doesn't say what concession Brown specifically got.

    If it was something that would apply equally to all banks in the US, then it wouldn't be that big of a deal. He was simply doing his job in looking out for the interests of the people he represents.

    The problem is if Brown got a special deal that would only apply to banks in Massuchusse ...[text shortened]... uisiana Purchase or the Cornhusker Kickback that gave unfair advantages to one specific state.
    Democrats succeeded in breaking through the Republican block by winning Brown's backing. The Massachusetts Republican, who had voted against ending debate on Wednesday, met with Reid Thursday morning to voice his concerns regarding the bill's effect on Massachusetts banks such as State Street and insurance firms such as MassMutual. House Financial Services Committee chairman Barney Frank, also of Massachusetts, weighed in Thursday with letters to Reid offering his own guarantees that the final bill would resolve Brown's concerns.

    (Emphasis supplied)

    Doesn't sound like something that would "apply equallY to all banks in the US".
  4. 21 May '10 11:17
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Democrats succeeded in breaking through the Republican block by winning Brown's backing. The Massachusetts Republican, who had voted against ending debate on Wednesday, met with Reid Thursday morning to voice his concerns regarding the bill's effect on [b]Massachusetts banks such as State Street and insurance firms such as MassMutual. House Financial ...[text shortened]... Doesn't sound like something that would "apply equallY to all banks in the US".[/b]
    Obviously, Brown was specifically concerned about banks in Massachussetts, and the Senate was specifically concerned about getting Brown's vote. And it may very well turn out that Reid handed out a Brown Bag of special goodies.

    But Brown's concerns may still have been legitimately addressed by a general law. I'd like to see the specific thing that was conceded to Brown before we go jumping to conclusions.
  5. 21 May '10 15:53 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Democrats succeeded in breaking through the Republican block by winning Brown's backing. The Massachusetts Republican, who had voted against ending debate on Wednesday, met with Reid Thursday morning to voice his concerns regarding the bill's effect on [b]Massachusetts banks such as State Street and insurance firms such as MassMutual. House Financial Doesn't sound like something that would "apply equallY to all banks in the US".[/b]
    Brown is an idiot. If his vote was for sale he could at least asked for a free car for every citizen in MA. We all know that Reid has an open check book to get what he wants. If you ask me, Brown is cheap and easy. Then again, judging from his nude photos I think that is a given.
  6. 22 May '10 13:13
    So if this is indicative of the type of "change" that Republicans want to bring to Washington then perhaps a third party should be started right here and now.

    I have to admit, I have been waiting for this but I did not think it would come this soon. Things like this should help the Dems in the next round of elections.
  7. 22 May '10 19:14
    Originally posted by whodey
    So if this is indicative of the type of "change" that Republicans want to bring to Washington then perhaps a third party should be started right here and now.

    I have to admit, I have been waiting for this but I did not think it would come this soon. Things like this should help the Dems in the next round of elections.
    You mean the teabaggers are being used by political operatives far smarter than them? I am just shocked.
  8. 23 May '10 00:53 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by TerrierJack
    You mean the teabaggers are being used by political operatives far smarter than them? I am just shocked.
    Putting your disrespect of the members of the Tea Party aside by using your offensive slang term describing them, understand that only about half of the members have a favorable opinion of the Republican party. At least, these were the statistics I saw recently. In short, the members of the Tea Party know that they are out gunned and opposed by the powers that be. Nevertheless, we continue to fight on. Perhaps you think it to be in vain, but what are you doing about it other than critisizing those that are trying to evoke some rational change? Oh, that's right, you spend your time defending your Democrat cronies as if they need any of your help.
  9. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    23 May '10 01:38
    Originally posted by whodey
    Putting your disrespect of the members of the Tea Party aside by using your offensive slang term describing them...
    I realize 'it's offensive because you say it's offensive' etc. but can you please explain how or why the word "teabagger" is, in and of itself, anything other than mildly teasing? What's with the glass chin? How can you possibly describe this as an "offensive slang term" when it's surely an example of the most harmless ribbing? Will your movement's humourlessness and hypersensitivity really serve it well in the rough and tumble of the real world?
  10. 23 May '10 01:43
    Originally posted by FMF
    I realize 'it's offensive because you say it's offensive' etc. but can you please explain how or why the word "teabagger" is, in and of itself, anything other than mildly teasing? What's with the glass chin? How can you possibly describe this as an "offensive slang term" when it's surely an example of the most harmless ribbing? Will your movement's humourlessnes ...[text shortened]... and hypersensitivity really serve it well in the rough and tumble of the real world?
    What does teabagger mean? Tell me and I think you will have your answer. How can this term be used as if to mildly tease anyone?
  11. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    23 May '10 01:51
    Originally posted by whodey
    What does teabagger mean?
    I don't know. You tell me. That's why I asked you.
  12. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    23 May '10 01:57 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    What does teabagger mean? Tell me and I think you will have your answer. How can this term be used as if to mildly tease anyone?
    Here's the definition from a dictionary I often consult:

    teabagger. n. A misinformed, right-wing corporate media consumer who often fails to understand that BOTH major parties represent a corrupt plutocracy that steals from the middle class by taxing labor and profiting from corporate tax subsidies.

    A teabagger also often fails to acknowledge that George W. Bush and his neo-conservative minions perpetrated one of the boldest and most egregious executive power grabs in the history of the United States. Furthermore, teabaggers mistakenly continue to blame a newly elected President Obama for all that ails the United States of America, based on a grossly flawed perception of reality (including latent racial prejudice) and despite the fact the U.S. economy collapsed on the previous administration's watch.

    Teabaggers are also known to base their misguided, right-wing-media-inspired beliefs about President Obama on stupid conspiracy theories about totalitarian takeovers, FEMA camps, etc., despite the fact these very same theories have been circulating around on the Internet for years, and were originally ascribed to neo-conservative cabalists at a time when Barack Obama had not even entered national politics. Teabaggers also are known to be particularly paranoid, xenophobic and intolerant, especially with regard to immigrants and anyone who isn't white.

    Additionally, teabaggers generally echo stupid myths about entitlement spending (it actually only accounts for about 1% of federal budget spending), have no idea that most poor people in America are not lazy, actually do work and don't want to be on welfare, and have no idea what socialism actually means or that socialist reform in this country is actually what allowed a middle class to flourish and ultimately make the U.S. one of the most prosperous nations in human history.

    Furthermore, teabaggers incorrectly equate socialism with Stalinism, think a system that rewards greed (capitalism) is the divine preference (despite Gospel evidence to the contrary), and are shameless champions of a misguided belief in American exceptionalism. Teabaggers also fail to recognize the inherently unpatriotic nature of their failed every-man-for-himself ideology that ultimately vilifies anyone who supports public policy aimed at reaching out to fellow Americans in need. They celebrate an exploitative corporatocracy (holy creator of jobs, blah blah blah) while denigrating the little guy for being "weak."

    Interestingly, teabaggers uphold an immoral, morbidly obese, twice divorced, draft-dodging, college dropout and known drug addict as their de facto leader, and are even known to advocate burning books. Of course, teabaggers fail to recognize the blatant hypocrisy within the GOP and tend to oversimplify all political debate and social issues, much like their pseudo-intellectual, fat-ass leader.

    Finally, incredibly, teabaggers fail to recognize the hysterical double entendre associated with their proudly adopted teabag moniker.

    Every village has its idiots, of course, but it's sad when citizens of any nation allow themselves to be whipped into a frenzy en masse by a state-run propaganda machine masquerading as a legitimate, fair, balanced and independent news organization. Teabaggers are right to believe the future of the U.S.A. is in jeopardy, but sadly they have not yet correctly identified the real enemy. Perhaps when teabaggers finally grow up and mature into thinking adults, they will see the right-leaning power establishment for the oppressive and cunning beast that it is.


    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=teabagger&defid=3902158

    Seems spot on. Harmless ribbing. Mild teasing.
  13. 23 May '10 03:29
    Originally posted by FMF
    Here's the definition from a dictionary I often consult:

    [quote][b]teabagger
    . n. A misinformed, right-wing corporate media consumer who often fails to understand that BOTH major parties represent a corrupt plutocracy that steals from the middle class by taxing labor and profiting from corporate tax subsidies.

    A teabagger also often fails to ackn ...[text shortened]... ne.php?term=teabagger&defid=3902158[/i]

    Seems spot on. Harmless ribbing. Mild teasing.[/b]
    Nope, try this.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_bag_(sexual_act)
  14. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    23 May '10 03:36
    Originally posted by whodey
    Nope, try this.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tea_bag_(sexual_act)
    I think the definition I unearthed is more relevant to the Tea Parties which, incidently, do not conjure up thoughts of sexual acts in my mind at all. Seems unlikely. Do they for you? Wouldn't have thought so. No. I'll stick with my definition. So if I call you a teabagger in future, you'll know what I mean. It will be harmless ribbing. Mild teasing. Not about any sexual act. Not at all.
  15. 23 May '10 04:21
    Originally posted by FMF
    I think the definition I unearthed is more relevant to the Tea Parties which, incidently, do not conjure up thoughts of sexual acts in my mind at all. Seems unlikely. Do they for you? Wouldn't have thought so. No. I'll stick with my definition. So if I call you a teabagger in future, you'll know what I mean. It will be harmless ribbing. Mild teasing. Not about any sexual act. Not at all.
    Why use it at all now that you know how some people may take it?