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  1. 25 Aug '17 12:05
    Their enemy, is probably your enemy too.
  2. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    25 Aug '17 12:26
    Whoever their enemies are they should fight them ... with words. Political violence in the streets is terrorism.
  3. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    25 Aug '17 12:29
    Originally posted by @sleepyguy
    Whoever their enemies are they should fight them ... with words. Political violence in the streets is terrorism.
    Well if it's "terrorism" that makes all the difference of course and we should bomb Syria at once.
  4. 25 Aug '17 12:42
    Of course.....all marches, demonstrations, and protests should never allow any weapons or anything that is perceived as a weapon. The flags had clubs attached to them. These protesters came ready to fight.
  5. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    25 Aug '17 12:53
    Originally posted by @loudog
    Their enemy, is probably your enemy too.
    Perhaps, but their tactics are pointless and stupid. Nazis and other hatemongers need to be fought, but in the ideas marketplace and the political marketplace; not by throwing rocks at them in the street. That's not going to hurt them. That will help them.

    At best, Antifa are the Communists who fought the brownshirts in the German streets in the 1920's.
  6. 25 Aug '17 13:03
    Originally posted by @sleepyguy
    Whoever their enemies are they should fight them ... with words. Political violence in the streets is terrorism.
    Not if they are orange Trump Nazis. Then it becomes OK, right?
  7. 25 Aug '17 13:03
    Originally posted by @sh76
    Perhaps, but their tactics are pointless and stupid. Nazis and other hatemongers need to be fought, but in the ideas marketplace and the political marketplace; not by throwing rocks at them in the street. That's not going to hurt them. That will help them.

    At best, Antifa are the Communists who fought the brownshirts in the German streets in the 1920's.
    Yes, they preferred Stalin over Hitler....................yea, they are on our side.

    LMAO!
  8. 25 Aug '17 14:29 / 1 edit
    https://www.infowars.com/armed-antifa-group-calls-for-revolution-seizing-property-and-violence-against-police/

    An armed Antifa group is launching a new cell in Philadelphia, with support from the “alt-left” alternative media.

    The group currently hosts anti-police workshops called “Our Enemies in Blue.” The group draws inspiration from convicted murderers and calls for violence against the police, theft of goods, and armed insurrection.

    Antifa websites like It’s Going Down, Sub.Media and Insurrection News have been promoting the group, which calls itself the Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement, calling on their readers to donate to a Fundrazr account for the creation of the new cell.

    The press release the group published in far-left media is filled with hyperbolic claims about how “mosques are being ruthlessly bombed” and how “LGBTQ are being battered.”




    “The destruction of black life continues unabated as millions languish in the plantations of the modern day slave system,” the group states.

    Taking pride in the “legacy” of “Philadelphia’s rich revolutionary tradition,” RAM cites Mumia Abu Jamal, the Black Panther activist who shot and killed Philadelphia police officer Daniel Faulkner in 1981.

    It also cites Russell Shoats, who shot a police officer in the back five times in 1970. Similar to Antifa, the actions of the Black Panthers have been described as having a “very undefined purpose of assaulting police officers.”

    Like other Antifa groups, RAM claims to oppose the usual -isms and white supremacy, but a quick look at the organization’s “Political Foundation” page, as highlighted by Far Left Watch, notes the inclusion of several alarming points, including the “Abolition of Gender,” and the “Expropriation and the Cooperative Economy.”




    Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement (Screenshot: RAM website)
    Revolutionary Abolitionist Movement (Screenshot: RAM website)

    The latter calls on members to “expropriate” or “take away” goods, lands, and tools to “begin the revolutionary process.” Expropriation is another way of saying “seize” or “steal.”

    The organization models itself after the so-called Rojava Revolution, a leftist guerilla movement currently active in northern Syria. RAM states that the communists offer a “foundation in communal and council based political organization and militant defense.”

    The organizations within the Rojava Revolution are currently involved in combat against ISIS.

    Far Left Watch notes that RAM has been hosting a variety of anti-police workshops including a “Legal Training” workshop, a class on the “Introduction to Anarchism,” and one called “Our Enemies in Blue,” which deals with anti-police action–or how to handle police officers during violent clashes.

    Despite active calls for violence against law enforcement and revolution against the government, the liberal media has been surprisingly lenient in its coverage of Antifa, depicting them as righteous crusaders against the rise of white supremacy.
  9. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    25 Aug '17 15:16
    Originally posted by @sh76
    Perhaps, but their tactics are pointless and stupid. Nazis and other hatemongers need to be fought, but in the ideas marketplace and the political marketplace; not by throwing rocks at them in the street. That's not going to hurt them. That will help them.

    At best, Antifa are the Communists who fought the brownshirts in the German streets in the 1920's.
    Why is physically confronting violent hate groups "pointless and stupid"? The "marketplace of ideas" didn't prevent Hitler from gaining power, did it?

    Here's an interesting interview with Mark Bray, who wrote a book on "antifa" (which is a loose collection of local groups, not some centrally controlled entity): https://www.vox.com/2017/8/25/16189064/antifa-charlottesville-activism-mark-bray-interview

    The point that it is historically dubious to rely on the police (many of whom share Neo-Nazi and white supremacist ideas and even more of whom are socially reactionary) or the State to halt the advance of far Right groups seems valid. " Instead they advocate popular opposition to fascism as we witnessed in Charlottesville.”

    And that is bad ................................. why again?
  10. 25 Aug '17 16:03 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    Why is physically confronting violent hate groups "pointless and stupid"? The "marketplace of ideas" didn't prevent Hitler from gaining power, did it?

    Here's an interesting interview with Mark Bray, who wrote a book on "antifa" (which is a loose collection of local groups, not some centrally controlled entity): https://www.vox.com/2017/8/25/16189064/ ...[text shortened]... witnessed in Charlottesville.”

    And that is bad ................................. why again?
    Dive wants to punch them in the face.

    That should fix everything.

    Hopefully that will provoke a violent reaction Trump can be blamed for cuz we all know he is behind it, just as Putin is behind Trump.

    So really it's all Putin's doing.
  11. Subscriber Sleepyguy
    Reepy Rastardly Guy
    25 Aug '17 17:27
    Something to consider...

    http://forward.com/opinion/380510/we-need-to-start-befriending-neo-nazis/
  12. 25 Aug '17 18:36 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by @sh76
    Perhaps, but their tactics are pointless and stupid. Nazis and other hatemongers need to be fought, but in the ideas marketplace and the political marketplace; not by throwing rocks at them in the street. That's not going to hurt them. That will help them.

    At best, Antifa are the Communists who fought the brownshirts in the German streets in the 1920's.
    If he had to choose only between them, does sh76 wish that the
    KDP (Communists) or the NSDAP (Nazis) had won in Germany?

    I know that I prefer Antifa over neo-Nazis.
  13. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    25 Aug '17 18:40
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    If he had to choose only between them, does sh76 wish that the
    FDP (Communists) or the NSDAP (Nazis) had won in Germany?

    I know that I prefer Antifa over neo-Nazis.
    Communist over Nazis and Antifa over Nazis.

    Hands down.

    Still, that I prefer them over Nazis is hardly a ringing endorsement.
  14. 25 Aug '17 19:34 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by @sh76
    Communist over Nazis and Antifa over Nazis.

    Hands down.

    Still, that I prefer them over Nazis is hardly a ringing endorsement.
    Who murdered more during WW2? Stalin or Hitler?

    In fact, which ideology has murdered more people in history, Nazism or Communism?
  15. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    25 Aug '17 19:59
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Who murdered more during WW2? Stalin or Hitler?

    In fact, which ideology has murdered more people in history, Nazism or Communism?
    Lately I've been wondering how many people Victoria killed.